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Re: I ran a crawler to collect posts and comments on Parler

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Post by jspash » Wed, Jan 13, 2021, 9:38 AM UTC

3131s wrote: post #48

roel_v wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People have been saying that sort of stuff daily for as long as I've been online, 25-ish years. Of course someone will say 'but this time it's different', but I chalk this up to a broken clock being right twice a day.

I told my acquaintances that the "insurrection" would happen a full two weeks before it did. Am I a broken clock, or are you just out of touch with the fragmented landscape of political commentary on the internet?

Just curious...what is your prediction for the much talked about country-wide "event" coming in 3-4 days? I mean, the same people who were "chattering" about the 6th have said in no uncertain terms that they WILL once again stage an armed protest (good luck to that) starting on the 16th and culminating on the 17th at the capitol and the capitols of each and every state. With the threat of violence not just between the lines, but as an explicit threat to anyone who doesn't agree with their agenda and has the temerity to fight back. It's full-on terrorist level manifesto stuff.

Should we hope the clock is still broken? Because I for one, am going to be watching from a safe distance away (not in person) and fearing for the lives of many people and our democracy on that day.

Re: I ran a crawler to collect posts and comments on Parler

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Post by saargrin » Wed, Jan 13, 2021, 9:39 AM UTC

3pt14159 wrote: post #30

roenxi wrote: post #19

Gallows are a time-honoured protest prop (eg, [0]), one being present isn't really the manifestation of gross negligence that this post wants to make it out to be [1]. This is not a very interesting post. Yeah you could predict that there was going to be a protest from Parler. There would have been people saying "hey, there is a rally on the 6th, lets go there and show our support". [0] https://www.victoriabuzz.com/2…

It's a disgusting practice. I don't care how time-honoured it is. Real people are involved here. Real violence. Real death. Showing someone a guillotine or a gallows or making threats to use deadly violence as part of a political protest is just plain wrong.

im super annoyed by people who are outraged about this then turn around and repost memes about eating the rich or guillotining/GULaging Jeff Bezos

Re: I ran a crawler to collect posts and comments on Parler

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Post by ariehkovler » Wed, Jan 13, 2021, 9:58 AM UTC

Barrin92 wrote: post #9

yeuxardents wrote: post #4

I fully believe the flip side of this is. Had social networks not, over the last 10 years, been consistently banning anyone and everyone they could for everything ranging from simply slightly disagreeable speech all the way to flat out illegal speech, you would not have needed a massive analysis of data from one-off sites. The crowd sourcing and eyes on the information of regular people could have predicted it. By cr…

the crowd sourcing and eyes of regular people could have predicted it anyhow, and many people did in fact do just that simply by reading Parler or 4chan and taking threats seriously. See for example Arieh Kovler, 21 December 2020: "On January 6, armed Trumpist militias will be rallying in DC, at Trump's orders. It's highly likely that they'll try to storm the Capitol after it certifies Joe Biden's win. I don't think…

Hey that's me!

Re: I ran a crawler to collect posts and comments on Parler

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Post by ALittleLight » Wed, Jan 13, 2021, 10:11 AM UTC

yeuxardents wrote: post #27

numlock86 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The crowd sourcing and eyes on the information of regular people could have predicted it. > By creating even more and more internet bubbles, the 'regular people' do not even see what the 'irregular people' are up to anymore. They cannot talk them down from their ledge, there is no intercommunication now. What kept 'regular people' from hopping on 8ch and stopping Christchurch by talking him down? Fun fact: The whol…

>What kept 'regular people' from hopping on 8ch and stopping Christchurch by talking him down? Fun fact: The whole thing was well known in advance and even observed online by law enforcement. What kept 'regular people' from hopping onto a widely derided and supposedly extremist platform, where threats of exposure of ones personal life simply for being there stopped them from noticing extremism? Are you sure that is a…

According to the BBC the shooter himself posted and live steamed on Facebook [0]. "Someone", possibly the shooter or possibly someone watching him on Facebook, crossposted it to 8ch. I think a lot of times the alt websites get hate for stuff that's clearly happening on the mainstream websites as well. I'd estimate that the alt websites have much higher concentrations of hate, but probably less overall hate than the mainstream websites.

0 - https://web.archive.org/web/20190317214903/https://www.bbc.c...

Re: I ran a crawler to collect posts and comments on Parler

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Post by o-__-o » Wed, Jan 13, 2021, 10:18 AM UTC

jspash wrote: post #61

3131s wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I told my acquaintances that the "insurrection" would happen a full two weeks before it did. Am I a broken clock, or are you just out of touch with the fragmented landscape of political commentary on the internet?

Just curious...what is your prediction for the much talked about country-wide "event" coming in 3-4 days? I mean, the same people who were "chattering" about the 6th have said in no uncertain terms that they WILL once again stage an armed protest (good luck to that) starting on the 16th and culminating on the 17th at the capitol and the capitols of each and every state. With the threat of violence not just between th…

4chan is advertising for people to go to dc again on the 19th but armed. I don’t know how you can dismiss this when hanging out in /pol/ for a day will bring up several 200+ comment threads.

Save this comment: 4chan will be the next victim and the rest of the internet will say “good”

Re: I ran a crawler to collect posts and comments on Parler

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Post by throwawaysea » Wed, Jan 13, 2021, 10:21 AM UTC

KozmoNau7 wrote: post #59

throwawaysea wrote: post #52

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Also, kudos to this author for not logging personal information: > there is panic among the ex-Parler community that all their data, even private/deleted posts, have been scraped and archived — it has, just not by me. Furthermore, Parler did not follow industry standards in obfuscating EXIF metadata from uploaded images, so millions of users had their exact location logged. However, I am stunned that Twitter still ha…

The dump only contains information that people posted publicly on Parler, as per this: "only things that were available publicly via the web were archived. i don't have you e-mail address, phone or credit card number. unless you posted it yourself on parler." - https://twitter.com/donk_enby/status/1348666166978424832 If anything, the people on Parler doxxed themselves by posting all of it in public, it was all direct…

So why is media treating this differently from when Zero Hedge posted the contact information of a head of a lab in Wuhan that was conducting research into coronaviruses carried by bats? In that case, the person’s contact information was also public and it was intended as such on the lab’s own website, since he was the public face of it. And yet Zero Hedge was attacked by news media and posts on social media as “doxxing” the researcher. Twitter even banned them “permanently” for it, only to reverse the ban months later.

Another consideration is that even if email addresses and phone numbers aren’t in the dump, there is EXIF data with locations and orientation. If this person was at all ethical and responsible they would have stripped everything that could identify a person out. But she didn’t, because the same rules don’t matter when it’s a leftist (she’s a self-described “anarcho socialist”) is attacking political enemies from the right. And no social media or news media is taking this down or even describing it in negative terms.

It’s hard for me to see all this as anything but shameless double standards.

Re: I ran a crawler to collect posts and comments on Parler

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Post by numlock86 » Wed, Jan 13, 2021, 10:22 AM UTC

yeuxardents wrote: post #27

numlock86 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The crowd sourcing and eyes on the information of regular people could have predicted it. > By creating even more and more internet bubbles, the 'regular people' do not even see what the 'irregular people' are up to anymore. They cannot talk them down from their ledge, there is no intercommunication now. What kept 'regular people' from hopping on 8ch and stopping Christchurch by talking him down? Fun fact: The whol…

>What kept 'regular people' from hopping on 8ch and stopping Christchurch by talking him down? Fun fact: The whole thing was well known in advance and even observed online by law enforcement. What kept 'regular people' from hopping onto a widely derided and supposedly extremist platform, where threats of exposure of ones personal life simply for being there stopped them from noticing extremism? Are you sure that is a…

> Firstly, almost no average FB or TW user knows of those forums, [...]

> Are you sure that is a good argument?

It was live streamed on FB. I think the argument holds up.

Re: I ran a crawler to collect posts and comments on Parler

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Post by _delibash_ » Wed, Jan 13, 2021, 10:30 AM UTC

roenxi wrote: post #19

Gallows are a time-honoured protest prop (eg, [0]), one being present isn't really the manifestation of gross negligence that this post wants to make it out to be [1]. This is not a very interesting post. Yeah you could predict that there was going to be a protest from Parler. There would have been people saying "hey, there is a rally on the 6th, lets go there and show our support". [0] https://www.victoriabuzz.com/2…

[1] Absolutely. The insinuation is the "wrong people" are not supposed to use it.

Re: I ran a crawler to collect posts and comments on Parler

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Post by 3pt14159 » Wed, Jan 13, 2021, 11:24 AM UTC

saargrin wrote: post #62

3pt14159 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a disgusting practice. I don't care how time-honoured it is. Real people are involved here. Real violence. Real death. Showing someone a guillotine or a gallows or making threats to use deadly violence as part of a political protest is just plain wrong.

im super annoyed by people who are outraged about this then turn around and repost memes about eating the rich or guillotining/GULaging Jeff Bezos

I'm highly critical of certain billionaires, Bezos included, but I do not endorse or even tolerate language like "eat the rich" because I still value the humanity of people that I think are presently exploiting a broken political / economic system.

Bezos has done some good. Especially on climate change. Just because we disagree on the distributive effects of capitalism doesn't mean we're not both part of the same human race and world.

Re: I ran a crawler to collect posts and comments on Parler

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Post by 3pt14159 » Wed, Jan 13, 2021, 11:26 AM UTC

the8472 wrote: post #39

3pt14159 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a disgusting practice. I don't care how time-honoured it is. Real people are involved here. Real violence. Real death. Showing someone a guillotine or a gallows or making threats to use deadly violence as part of a political protest is just plain wrong.

I don't disagree that it's a threat. But that threat is always there anyway. We prefer the democratic process because it's less destructive than regular, bloody power transitions. A guillotine can be seen as a reminder for why we have democracy. So in a way it's a pro-democratic symbol as the threat is there to enforce democratic norms. The threat only becomes misguided if you're wrongly under the impression that dem…

This is the same kind of thinking that leads to western states that support black propaganda.

No. We do not need this. The grisly outcome that they who would defect should not be death. Economic hardship after months long protests which shut down the economy are a much better tool. Or even mass emigration to a safer or more just state.

Gandhi was plenty effective enough. We do not need spirals of threats and violence and arms races.