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Re: Sci-Hub Is Now on the ‘Uncensorable Web’

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This appears to be just another commercialisation of domain names, trying to create another "Gold Rush" for the most sought after "vanity" names. Winner-take-all. A few profit at the expense of the many. It perpetuates that problem of ICANN DNS becoming a "business" instead of solving it. (ICANN DNS domain names were originally free.) The potential for censorship is only one problem of ICANN DNS. Also, this project i…

> This appears to be just another commercialisation of domain names, trying to create another "Gold Rush" for the most sought after names. Winner-take-all. A few profit at the expense of the many. This is a major problem that the project has made a sincere attempt to address. Through scarcity certain sybil protections are afforded, which has been inherently architected into the consensus protocol [1]. Additionally, a…

Surely I will be swiftly corrected by DNSSEC experts and I will dare to use less-than-correct terminology but doesn't DNSSEC make DNS more not less centralised. With DNSSEC, as I have seen it used in practice, a "root" must in effect "approve" of each domainname. In other words, cooperation from a root is required in order "certify" a domainname as "authentic". So if hypothetical internet user wants to serve her own RRs from her own nameserver for her own self-hosted own web resources on the internet, then she has to make sure a "root" approves of her source registry and registrar. Without the root's (indirect) blessing, her domainname is not "authentic" and should not be held in any shared cache.

Here is a different idea. The intent is not "world-takeover" or "winning" any imaginary popularity contest but just a different kind of DNS service, because, well who needs a reason. Because we feel like it, how's that. The idea is: Start a registry that only allows djb-designed per-packet encrypted DNS to be used. That is, all persons running authoritative nameservers must follow some rules. They must publish public keys in subdomains of the nameserver's domain. For an example of how this looks, do an NS query to ianix.com. All authoritative nameservers in this imaginary registry would be required to offer per-packet encypted DNS. It would not be that difficult to start something like this at least on a small scale. People running authoritative nameservers simply need to run a CurveDNS forwarder in front of their preferred authoritative nameserver implementation. The CurveDNS forwarder is a small piece of free, open-source software. This type of encryption is different from DNSSEC, so this is not a "replacement" or even an "alternative" to that movement. It is something totally different. The purpose is not to address risk associated with shared DNS caches (e.g., poisoning and other tricks) as DNSSEC is intended to address, it is not to distinguish an "approved" domainname versus an "unapproved" one by creating some "chain of trust" to a "root". The purpose is just to encyrpt DNS packets. The focus is authoritative DNS, the folks that actually own the web resource, not recursive DNS, third party DNS cache providers, etc. There are couple of reference implementations of the DNSCurve-enabled cache and one of a dig-like client users would run on their home/own networks to send encypted queries and decrypt responses. This whole system for encrypting DNS has been around for over a decade and IMHO is easily as "battle-tested" as anything DNSSEC. Does that mean everyone should use it. No. But it means anyone could use it. For no other reason that because they feel like it.

The main problem something like Handshake is purportedly aimed at solving, namely centralisation of who controls "the" DNS, is IMO caused by the commercialisation and making a "market" for names. There is no way anyone is going to solve the centralisation problem by offering a commercial alternative that replays the "Gold Rush" of the first DNS (not to mention all the corruption that followed, culminating in "new gTLDs" for $185,000+). If we want to level the DNS playing field, then IMO we would have to take the money out of it. That might mean "vanity" names are not as important. Who knows, public keys might play a more important role. I am thinking of those Facebook workers who "brute-forced/mined" some .onion name they thought was more recognisable. Silly. "Decentralised" would seem to imply more equality across the namespace, not "I snagged the best names before everyone else" (using x kilowatts in the process) or "That name sucks."

Just an opinion. Good luck with the blockchain.

Re: Sci-Hub Is Now on the ‘Uncensorable Web’

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Then Elsevier should be just fine when it loses this part of its business.

"That part of the business" is still a huge portfolio of product offerings in-and-around the scientific publishing space. If you cut one head of the hydra, another will just grow back in its place. The company came to be so dominant because their strategy of vertical integration is effective and repeatable. Identify a market of valuable information; build tools to collect & collate that information; build tools for s…

Excellent breakdown. Thank you. Yes as I've said only legislation will end this tyranny.

To guard this data to the point they were willing to throw Aaron Swartz in jail for 35 years is beyond reprehensible. It's simply abhorrent the way they have acted as gatekeepers to this kind of knowledge.

They are responsible for slowing things down. Not speeding them up. These gatekeepers are holding us back. Lives could be saved. Millions of them. This data is a benefit to humanity as a whole and it should be treated as such.

Re: Sci-Hub Is Now on the ‘Uncensorable Web’

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> This appears to be just another commercialisation of domain names, trying to create another "Gold Rush" for the most sought after names. Winner-take-all. A few profit at the expense of the many. This is a major problem that the project has made a sincere attempt to address. Through scarcity certain sybil protections are afforded, which has been inherently architected into the consensus protocol [1]. Additionally, a…

Surely I will be swiftly corrected by DNSSEC experts and I will dare to use less-than-correct terminology but doesn't DNSSEC make DNS more not less centralised. With DNSSEC, as I have seen it used in practice, a "root" must in effect "approve" of each domainname. In other words, cooperation from a root is required in order "certify" a domainname as "authentic". So if hypothetical internet user wants to serve her own…

In the case of Handshake, the root is centralized in something that's decentralized - the blockchain.

Re: Sci-Hub Is Now on the ‘Uncensorable Web’

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DNS isn't completely "decentralized" because it still relies on root name servers, which are controlled by ICANN.

Only the L root is controlled by ICANN A and J are controlled by Verisign (a US public company) B and D by different US universities C by Cogent (another US public company) E by NASA F by Internet Systems Consortium (an American not-for-profit) G by the US Department of Defense H by the US Army I by Netnod (a Swedish non-profit) K by RIPE (the European RIR) and finally M by WIDE (a project of several Japanese univers…

... which are delegated authority by ICANN [1].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNS_root_zone#Management

Re: Sci-Hub Is Now on the ‘Uncensorable Web’

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> The alt-text is also only illuminating in the sense that the CCP might heartily agree with it as well, as they see their crusade against free speech as nothing more than maintaining the public order and peace. Which alt-text did you read? It cannot possibly be this one: > "I can't remember where I heard this, but someone once said that defending a position by citing free speech is sort of the ultimate concession; y…

> that your idea cannot be censored is not good enough in order to convince people that it's good Yes but the implication is that if you’re censored and asking the government for redress, your speech is abhorrent. In the context of the comic it’s clearly meant to be interpreted that way. Your literal description of it is a red herring, a typical clever Monroe construction to avoid criticism, as if anyone claims they’…

> in the context of the comic it’s clearly meant to be interpreted that way.

That's just not true. The claim is that if you're censored and your only defense of your position is that you should be allowed to say it, you position is flimsy. Nobody would agree with the claim that "_in general_ if you're censored your speech is abhorrent", that's laughable.

Now, yeah, agreed, it's debatable whether this actually happens. But it sure feels like it happens.

Re: Sci-Hub Is Now on the ‘Uncensorable Web’

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uh... so? two examples of things people do to vile people. to be clear: if someone shouts nazi stuff around me and I'm driven to anger enough to punch them (which, to be clear, has never happened, but hypothetically), I obviously accept the legal consequences of that. the whole point here is that legal rules abut what you should do are not ethical ones. Ethically, don't shout nazi stuff, and also ethically if you do…

> uh... so? Don't play coy. Punching someone is not the same thing as "showing them the door".

I feel like you're trying to trick me into admitting I'd punch them, or something, which isn't necessary and is kinda weird. I would definitely want to punch someone who was saying nazi stuff around me. Who wouldn't? Of course, yeah, 'showing them the door' is the more dignified response, so that probably comes first. As does talking about it and trying to figure out why they persist in being awful.

Re: Sci-Hub Is Now on the ‘Uncensorable Web’

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This article (really it's more of a press release from the interested parties) seems to confuse the role of DNS from the role of certificate authority, making it hard for me to understand what they're talking about. These days sometimes the same entities provide both SSL certificates and DNS, but they are different services. > Handshake is “is effectively a decentralized domain name server,” Roquerre said. Instead of…

I think what they meant is that with decentralized DNS, it is possible to replace certificate authorities by using DNSSEC + DANE RFC6698[0], but I agree the way it's mentioned is confusing. [0] https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6698

> with decentralized DNS, it is possible to replace certificate authorities by using DNSSEC

In what sense is DNSSEC decentralized? IMHO signing the root zone is about the most-centralizing thing that has ever happened to the Internet.

Re: Sci-Hub Is Now on the ‘Uncensorable Web’

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>It seems like tor .onion address would be an actually mature solution to this problem Already available: https://scihub22266oqcxt.onion

I wonder why wikipedia mentions that it has an .onion address but does not show this address? People do keep the constantly changing URLs for it up-to-date and are even highlighted in the side bar, so a legal reason not to publish the link to it is unlikely the reason.

Probably edit wars.

Re: Sci-Hub Is Now on the ‘Uncensorable Web’

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"Telephone directory" is a term that pretty much no one uses for phonebook.

Unless you're an expert on worldwide English use, it's best not to make such sweeping generalizations. A straightforward search for the term brings up large sites in the UK, India, Malta and Hong Kong. "Directory Enquiries" was (is?) the name for the service in the UK where you pay a fee for someone to look in the telephone directory for you.

Yes, but the heavy paper copy that used to periodically plop through everyones letterbox, was called The Phone Book[0].

[0] https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51uCASmsWxL...

Re: Sci-Hub Is Now on the ‘Uncensorable Web’

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The extraordinary actions taken to bring Sci-Hub down utterly amaze me. Just about every researcher I know uses Sci-Hub. One of the gems that actually make the Internet matter rather than toxic social media. Yet it seems to continually struggle for its daily existence.

What laws will need to change (or be revoked) in the US and EU for them to operate legally ? Also, I never clearly understood on why is a trove of public research papers considered such a threat ?

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