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Central Spain records temperatures of -25°C after snowstorm

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Re: Central Spain records temperatures of -25°C after snowstorm

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Post by throwawyeverytm »

guidedlight wrote: post #13
antiman0 wrote: post #4

A few days ago, someone posted a blog post here on HN [1] explaining the phenomenon which causes this: https://www.severe-weather.eu/global-weather/polar-vortex-co... [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25713704

We are also entering a solar minimum, the last one was linked to a “little ice age” in Europe. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maunder_Minimum I don’t know how climate change will affect this. But we might be in for an interesting few years.

> The Maunder Minimum occurred with a much longer period of lower-than-average European temperatures which is likely to have been primarily caused by volcanic activity.[citation needed]

Re: Central Spain records temperatures of -25°C after snowstorm

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Post by [deleted] »

nend wrote: post #34
tpmx wrote: post #3

In the mountains, at about 3k feet or 1k meters elevation. Yes, the headline is quite misleading. I expect more from the BBC . From the article: > The temperature plunged to -25C (-13F) in Molina de Aragón and Teruel, in mountains east of Madrid https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molina_de_Arag%C3%B3n > Elevation 1,065 m (3,494 ft) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teruel > Elevation 915 m (3,002 ft)

That doesn't seem very misleading. The estimated temperature difference for every 1000 meters in additional elevation is only 5-6C.

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Re: Central Spain records temperatures of -25°C after snowstorm

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Post by torben-friis »

dukeofdoom wrote: post #37

This is killing temperature even for the hardiest palm. So I'm wondering how much of their mature trees and landscaping will be destroyed

The city of Madrid, where I live, is currently full of fallen trees. I went for a walk a couple days ago and could count easily 10-20 just in the nearby streets.

It's been pretty chaotic, since we're not used to snow at all. After 4 days roads are still unusable, supermarkets can't restock shelves...The city's pretty much stopped.

Re: Central Spain records temperatures of -25°C after snowstorm

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Post by cogman10 »

CodeGlitch wrote: post #12
cal5k wrote: post #2

Cold-blooded Canadian here, so forgive me for asking - is this highly unusual?

Seems pretty unusual. Compared to the UK [1] which is much further North. [1] https://blog.metoffice.gov.uk/2012/10/16/top-ten-coldest-rec...

Interestingly, even the UK doesn't get a lot of snow. That's because the gulf stream keeps it relatively warm for it's latitude.

One of the major concerns of climate change is that may disrupt the gulf stream which would be disastrous for the UK. Their ecosystem depends heavily on the fact that water from the gulf of mexico keeps them unusually warm.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_Stream

Re: Central Spain records temperatures of -25°C after snowstorm

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Post by tomalpha »

tpmx wrote: post #3

In the mountains, at about 3k feet or 1k meters elevation. Yes, the headline is quite misleading. I expect more from the BBC . From the article: > The temperature plunged to -25C (-13F) in Molina de Aragón and Teruel, in mountains east of Madrid https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molina_de_Arag%C3%B3n > Elevation 1,065 m (3,494 ft) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teruel > Elevation 915 m (3,002 ft)

The headline doesn’t come across as misleading to me. I interpreted it as the temperature having been recorded somewhere in central Spain which appears to be accurate (granted my Spanish geography isn’t great). The tone also appears to be consistent with what else is being reported - that this is unusual or possibly even extreme weather.

I’m assuming your expectation was different. If so I’d be be curious as to how you did interpret it?

Re: Central Spain records temperatures of -25°C after snowstorm

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Post by _Microft »

tpmx wrote: post #3

In the mountains, at about 3k feet or 1k meters elevation. Yes, the headline is quite misleading. I expect more from the BBC . From the article: > The temperature plunged to -25C (-13F) in Molina de Aragón and Teruel, in mountains east of Madrid https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molina_de_Arag%C3%B3n > Elevation 1,065 m (3,494 ft) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teruel > Elevation 915 m (3,002 ft)

Central Spain contains a large plateau at an elevation of ~500-1000m above sea level.

Checking https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meseta_Central , I was almost correct. With an area of 200000 km^2 (from german Wikipedia) it is even larger than I expected.

Re: Central Spain records temperatures of -25°C after snowstorm

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Post by TeMPOraL »

RspecMAuthortah wrote: post #30
otoburb wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

... and we wonder why so many Canadians move down south to California or Florida. Even cold-blooded reptiles like basking in the sun once in a while.

Yeah I am one of those cold blooded Canadians. Weird thing is if you look at what's going in Canadian real estate, the shitty weather is not reflected in price at all. Weather and the high cost of living in all the major Canadian cities (compared to the average tech income) were the two main reasons wife and I decided to move down South. Don't regret it for a moment.

Isn't Canadian real estate mostly a parking spot for foreign capital these days, and has nothing to do with the actual demand of people living there?

Re: Central Spain records temperatures of -25°C after snowstorm

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Post by mschuster91 »

RspecMAuthortah wrote: post #30
otoburb wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

... and we wonder why so many Canadians move down south to California or Florida. Even cold-blooded reptiles like basking in the sun once in a while.

Yeah I am one of those cold blooded Canadians. Weird thing is if you look at what's going in Canadian real estate, the shitty weather is not reflected in price at all. Weather and the high cost of living in all the major Canadian cities (compared to the average tech income) were the two main reasons wife and I decided to move down South. Don't regret it for a moment.

> Weird thing is if you look at what's going in Canadian real estate, the shitty weather is not reflected in price at all.

Some Chinese investor needing a safe heaven for their assets (and/or, in case some purge happens like with Jack Ma, for their family) that can't be seized at random by the CCP does not care at all about the weather, only about the country showing a spine to China. That is why the real estate market of Canada is so thoroughly messed up - a third of Vancouver's market, for example, was Chinese (https://www.fortunebuilders.com/one-third-of-vancouvers-real...).

Re: Central Spain records temperatures of -25°C after snowstorm

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Post by mschuster91 »

Jtsummers wrote: post #25
duxup wrote: post #19

>This woman in Madrid was doing her best to deal with the icy conditions on Monday No... not hot water to melt the ice and then have it freeze again.

It was comical, but also sad, seeing people doing that in middle Georgia (US state, not country) a few years back when we had an unusual (for the area) cold spell with a lot of ice. Very few had scrapers and brushes for their cars to clear them so I was cleaning a lot of neighbors' cars while my own car was warming up.

Isn't pouring boiling hot water on car glass a pretty certain way to shatter them by thermal stress?!
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