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GNOME has no thumbnails in the file picker and my toilets are blocked

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Re: GNOME has no thumbnails in the file picker and my toilets are blocked

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Post by getitstraight »

stelonix wrote: post #729
getitstraight wrote: post #726

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 'What makes you think this is the case? X11 has an ordered event queue and there is no reason an application can't process the keystrokes in the correct order.' Frankly, it is completely fucking unacceptable for software to miss keystrokes or read them out of order. This is basic programming 101. Any code which exhibits such a problem has a shit design and needs to be rebuilt from scratch. This sort of thing is exa…

I'm not a Wayland user and do not plan to be. Instead, it is a criticism of the current abandonment of the Xorg project, which I toy with the code from time to time. I also do not use any DE and use X in the leanest way I can, and I still notice such input lag, whether it's playing games or some gui application seeming to register input at a different x,y position than it was clicked. This does not mean I'm a xorg ha…

I believe the entire point of Wayland was to pull away talent from Xorg development, to keep people in a quagmire for a decade plus working on that junk instead of fixing up Xorg to be what it should be.

Just like how the entire purpose of a certain very Gimped graphics editor was probably to occupy and exploit people who could have worked on some better project. It seems to have worked for a long time; only now after many years do we finally have Krita, but it's KDE only.

It's obvious microcomputer UNIX has been under assault for a long time by those who don't want the dream of a free, open desktop to be realized.

Re: GNOME has no thumbnails in the file picker and my toilets are blocked

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Post by int_19h »

kccqzy wrote: post #450
int_19h wrote: post #446

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Have you tried? A properly written Win32 app is supposed to handle drag-and-drop of files onto its window, and treat it as "Open". Try this in Notepad, for example. That said, I'm not sure what this has to do with repurposing Windows Explorer? It uses the same widget to browse files, but the File Open window is not actually an Explorer window.

GP is talking about drag-and-drop of a folder into the file picker view, which results in the file picker navigating to that folder. Or drag-and-drop a file into the file picker view, which results in the file picker navigating to the enclosing folder and then selecting the file being dragged. This is even more useful when saving files than opening files.

I see. I have to say, though, as described, this sounds as a rather inconsistent behavior to me. Does the macOS file picker not provide file management functionality at all (e.g. creating folders or moving them around)? If it does, it's kinda strange that it would behave differently from the standard file manager.

Re: GNOME has no thumbnails in the file picker and my toilets are blocked

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Post by dang »

getitstraight wrote: post #724
cycloptic wrote: post #713

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You are of course welcome to have an opinion, and to choose whatever product you want based on that opinion. But if the extent of your opinion is "this person is a jerk and their work is terrible and not to my taste" that is unlikely to convince that person to change course, especially if they don't know you and if the decision is already made.

Linux Puttering is not only a talentless programmer, he's a horrible, evil, wicked person, who in a just world should be beaten to death with a claw hammer, or thrown out of the nearest airlock. This little bastard knows EXACTLY what he is doing to Linux. You are of course free to make some smart fuck remark in response to this, or "report" the post to the local Gestapo, or whatever other fuck-ass action strikes your…

We've banned this account. Please don't create accounts to break HN's guidelines with, no matter how strongly you feel about something or someone. We're trying for something else here because it's the only way to keep the site interesting.

From some of your other comments I gather that you've been around this material for a long time and you know a lot about it. Why not share some of what you know, so others can learn? and make your substantive points thoughtfully? Then you'll be making this place more interesting, and your points will have some persuasive power. Just venting only adds energy and credibility to the views you disagree with.

I get that there's a low probability this argument will work with you but I think it's worth trying to persuade people that it's in their own interest to follow the rules, which are designed to try to keep a community that's interesting for everybody:

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: GNOME has no thumbnails in the file picker and my toilets are blocked

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Post by stelonix »

getitstraight wrote: post #741
stelonix wrote: post #729

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not a Wayland user and do not plan to be. Instead, it is a criticism of the current abandonment of the Xorg project, which I toy with the code from time to time. I also do not use any DE and use X in the leanest way I can, and I still notice such input lag, whether it's playing games or some gui application seeming to register input at a different x,y position than it was clicked. This does not mean I'm a xorg ha…

I believe the entire point of Wayland was to pull away talent from Xorg development, to keep people in a quagmire for a decade plus working on that junk instead of fixing up Xorg to be what it should be. Just like how the entire purpose of a certain very Gimped graphics editor was probably to occupy and exploit people who could have worked on some better project. It seems to have worked for a long time; only now afte…

I do agree that there's a spread of FUD regarding X11 and its code but I believe we can win this fight if we're interested in fixing X's shortcomings and making the leap to "x12" or whatever you wanna call it. Don't know anyone else who delves into the codebase though.

Re: GNOME has no thumbnails in the file picker and my toilets are blocked

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Post by rablackburn »

circularfoyers wrote: post #496
rablackburn wrote: post #355

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I have similar thoughts. I finally swapped to desktop linux last year and tried to be very mindful about all the little niggling issues I ran in to. I think the difference between an okay piece of software and a great piece of software is how cognizant the designers and developers are of these things. It's partially why I use an iphone now over android. Even if I disagree with how something is done it's usually evide…

I'm just curious but what were the issues with a few of elementary OS's core decisions that you have? I know personally I'm not a fan of Ubuntu or that it's the LTS version too but I know that you can use Pantheon, it's desktop environment, on other distros (something I have been considering myself).

It's been awhile since I've tried it, but the first thing that comes to mind is not being able to put a file on the desktop.

I completely understand and even vaguely agree with their reasoning, I stopped putting icons on my desktops maybe 10 years ago?

But sometimes I just want to put a temporary file on my desktop as a visual reminder to finish something up later.

In this case it's not the same class of 'bug' as the missing thumbnails in gnome's file picker, it was a deliberate design decision, and I respect that the project thought about the experience they want to create and executed on that vision. It's just not the experience for me.

Re: GNOME has no thumbnails in the file picker and my toilets are blocked

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Post by entropy1111 »

pndy wrote: post #656
still_grokking wrote: post #243

As a KDE user I wouldn't care what the Gnome people do if their BS wouldn't affect me. But it does, and it's annoying! They refuse since over a decade to implement some generic way to open the file-picker native to the running DE. They force their garbage usability on everybody, even people that would prefer not to use "anything Gnome". Same issue with CSDs, by the way. Like I said: They can have their broken stuff a…

> As a KDE user I wouldn't care what the Gnome people do if their BS wouldn't affect me. But it does, and it's annoying! KDE has own sins as well - they removed ability of running Dolphin as root giving some vague arguments about security and users protection, while other DE allows running their file managers with highest rights without any walkarounds nor weird acrobatics. I've seen some Plasma addons restoring this…

They were right, you should never run a GUI as root. The wrong part was not providing the alternative before blocking it. That maintainer left KDE IIRC, not sure why but I heard there were a lot of conflicts.

Last time I checked this feature was in progress by KDE devs, polkit or something like that, that allowed you to do that kind of operation without root.

But it was in a limbo because it was huge and hard to merge. They were trying again last time I checked. They would probably help you or anyone who would like that feature implemented to get started.

Re: GNOME has no thumbnails in the file picker and my toilets are blocked

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Post by polynomial »

FridgeSeal wrote: post #658
polynomial wrote: post #353

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This is a great example of where OOP and FP necessarily part ways.

That’s a cool idea, how so?

I'm sure there are far more qualified hn users than I to elaborate, but basically you wouldn't have a dependency on an mutable object. Rather, the object would have to be directly passed to a function.

Having said that, I meant it more generally in the sense of their respective architecture design paradigms than details of a particular implementation.

Re: GNOME has no thumbnails in the file picker and my toilets are blocked

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Post by scaramanga »

cycloptic wrote: post #713
stretchcat wrote: post #705

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I am not talking about judging his 'worth as a person'; rather his 'worth as a developer.' Maybe in his private life he's a wonderful person, who knows? Who cares? It is his professional activities that concern people.

You are of course welcome to have an opinion, and to choose whatever product you want based on that opinion. But if the extent of your opinion is "this person is a jerk and their work is terrible and not to my taste" that is unlikely to convince that person to change course, especially if they don't know you and if the decision is already made.

Furthermore, the "this person is a jerk" part is clearly not part of some dispassionate evaluation of his professional accomplishments and is just a verbal attack couched in the language of professional criticism.

I suspect that, in many instances, people who do that are not trying to convince anybody of anything. If they expected to be greeted everywhere with agreement then they would not go around saying things which they know perfectly well are not likely to result in a vigorous and healthy debate if they were said to strangers in the street :)

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