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Re: Sci-Hub Is Now on the ‘Uncensorable Web’

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Sounds like a principle to me. edit: to make this answer less of a throwaway line: it's a principle that underpins most of the MMR-based ideology on this very same website and animates most of the tech scene in general, "making the world a better place" statements notwithstanding. How many of you here can genuinely pretend otherwise in your professional life? A portion perhaps, but clearly the minority. Beyond the si…

I view a principle as being a belief held that one will hold the line on, even if to do so would be potentially costly. A principle isn't necessarily popular or just. Optimizing for traffic, revenue, or whatever else is certainly a strategy but I don't think it's a principle in the sense of someone or some people having principles. And I would add that the effective output of such a strategy, if it were the behavior…

I agree with your general stance, but I do wonder if this strategy hasn't morphed into an ideology in itself or at least what we'd recognize as principles (which can indeed cost people by their definition, but not necesarily so) At least that is what I see with much of the content shared here. The world view that percolates across all those articles is one that praises hustle culture, a mechanistic optimization of life, rationality fetishism, "hacking" social relationships, founder/mogul worship and many other ideas that support entrepreneurial success as the fundamental arbiter of value and moral worth. I even saw a few people sincerely believing thar systemic poverty could be alleviated with some bootsrapped startup concept. Essentially a mix of sociopathy and technocracy that can also paradoxically function as a guiding light for non-sociopathic people.

Re: Sci-Hub Is Now on the ‘Uncensorable Web’

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> - TLDs aren't sold for a set price. There's a vickrey auction which awards the TLD to the highest bidder. This creates a better distribution of names than selling at a set price or to the first buyer for real money, USD or EUR or such? where does this money go? or do you have to first mine some cryptocoin, or buy it with real money, and it then goes to the entity 'namebase'? scroll down here to the 'how it works':…

Great question. All Handshake names are registered with HNS through the auction process. Say you bid 1000 HNS on a name and I bid 900 HNS. You'd win that name and pay 900 HNS (the second highest bid price. Importantly, that fee doesn't go to Namebase or any other entity — the coins are burned on-chain so they go to no one.

Can you explain how that works?

Re: Sci-Hub Is Now on the ‘Uncensorable Web’

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DNS is not decentralized in the sense that matters for censorship, which is the most important sense in this discussion. I don't know anyone who believes DNS is suitably decentralized to resist censorship.

Okay, but how does Handshake solve that problem? It seems like the answer is "everyone buys their own TLD", right? That works great until the only names that are left are all too long to remember. And if you buy space from someone else's TLD, well... you've just given someone the power to censor you. Or am I missing something here?

> That works great until the only names that are left are all too long to remember.

Do you really believe this is a serious problem? I don't think it is by any stretch of the imagination.

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> It seems like the answer is "everyone buys their own TLD", right?

Yeah, why not? The conceptual distinction between a domain and a TLD isn't necessary. From the Namebase docs:

> For instance, if you own "nakamoto" on Handshake, you can use "nakamoto" as a domain itself. In that case, you would point "nakamoto" to your website and visit it at http://nakamoto/ in your browser. You can also use "nakamoto" as a TLD and issue your own subdomains. In that case you can create "satoshi.nakamoto" and visit it at http://satoshi.nakamoto in your browser. A Handshake name can be used as both a domain name directly and as a TLD at the same time.

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> And if you buy space from someone else's TLD, well... you've just given someone the power to censor you.

Maybe? Buying from someone else's TLD isn't the point of Handshake, for the reasons I mentioned above. But if you wanted to buy a subdomain for some reason, and still wanted it to be uncensorable, you should buy one from someone who revokes their censorship capabilities programmatically.

And that point is the big picture: reasoning about transparent code for very important things gives you a level of control you can't obtain through trusting people.

Re: Sci-Hub Is Now on the ‘Uncensorable Web’

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You are confusing the 1st Amendment with 'free speech'. Free speech is a value that is broadly applicable to society, far larger in scope than prohibition from the government.

A comic response to the original comic: https://sealedabstract.com/rants/re-xkcd-1357-free-speech/in...

This is more like what I think, thanks for posting!

I was merely correcting the misconception that Randall Munroe from xkcd doesn't advocate for free speech. I didn't say I agreed 100% with the comic itself, though I do find parts of it thought-provoking.

Re: Sci-Hub Is Now on the ‘Uncensorable Web’

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DNS is not decentralized in the sense that matters for censorship, which is the most important sense in this discussion. I don't know anyone who believes DNS is suitably decentralized to resist censorship.

Okay, but how does Handshake solve that problem? It seems like the answer is "everyone buys their own TLD", right? That works great until the only names that are left are all too long to remember. And if you buy space from someone else's TLD, well... you've just given someone the power to censor you. Or am I missing something here?

There are two sides of censorship-resistance that are important when it comes to DNS. Censorship-resistance/seizure-resistance for owners and censorship-resistance for consumers.

For owners, it's important that their domain names can't be taken down or seized from them. Sci-Hub has dealt with this issue numerous times and has had to register a pool of domain names to try too counteract this issue before getting their Handshake name. Domain registrars can seize domain names and there isn't much recourse for the owners — it doesn't even need to be for a good reason[1]. On Handshake, ownership is controlled by your wallet's private key (similar to owning Bitcoin). As long as you control your private key no one can take your name from you.

For consumers, it's important that you can 1) access the domain name and 2) trust that the DNS records you're seeing are authentic. Handshake is a distributed network so as long as you can connect to a single node you can access it. This mechanic is what gives other distributed networks like Bitcoin and BitTorrent their strength. Furthermore, you can verify the authenticity of the records since each DNS update is reflected on the blockchain similar to how you can verify transactions on Bitcoin.

[1] https://www.izoologic.com/2018/12/20/zoho-domain-taken-mista...

Re: Sci-Hub Is Now on the ‘Uncensorable Web’

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The creation of new root TLD is decentralized, you can request a new one and then a bidding process for it starts where everyone can bid for it.

But you can buy a new TLD in the DNS, right? Granted, for more money and pending approval. How is the TLD you get from Handshake different? You still control it, right? And you have the power to revoke sub delegations within it, right? That's what's confusing me... the article seemed to indicate that by switching to Handshake, you won't get your name revoked ever again. But the detail that seems to have been left out…

ICANN is expected to re-open TLD registrations in 2-3 years but you can't actually buy a new TLD in the traditional system at the moment. Once the registrations open up, there's a $180k application fee (that's not a registration fee, you pay that whether you win the TLD or not) on top of the registration fee which can cost millions. Furthermore, ownership of the TLD is delegate by ICANN, which is a central authority as opposed to ownership of names on Handshake which are controlled by private keys that you control.

Re: Sci-Hub Is Now on the ‘Uncensorable Web’

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“Poor people are disproportionately affected by not having enough money to purchase things”

that’s a reductio ad absurdum via tautology, but the effects are wide-ranging and can include freezing/overheating to death (for instance) from not having adequate heating/cooling. that’s inhumane and abhorrent, especially in the richest nations of the world.

While I agree with you, that's something the US elites decided long ago they don't care about. Chilling, really.

Re: Sci-Hub Is Now on the ‘Uncensorable Web’

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The link didn't work for me, which gives me pause about the availability of this technology. For most, simply going to Wikipedia's Sci-Hub page to get the current domain is easy and good enough, as the domain rarely changes.

Did you use the HNS.to gateway or connect directly via NextDNS? Per the announcement tweet [1] the gateway has limited uptime guarantees — it's much better to connect directly and only takes a few minutes to set up.

[1] https://twitter.com/NamebaseHQ/status/1348707701744922625?s=...

Re: Sci-Hub Is Now on the ‘Uncensorable Web’

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I am continually shocked that sci-hub still does not have a working .onion address.

Hmm, this [0] used to work for me but doesn't load atm. What happened to it? Wikipedia also mentions a or website (without an address). [0]: scihub22266oqcxt.onion

I don't know, hasn't worked for at least a year.
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