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Re: Airbus hit as new US tariffs come into force

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Post by Kalium »

cmehdy wrote: post #166
Kalium wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> As a French person, I can't help but feel like there's some sort of personal attack happening there. Wine and airplanes? Hey, I think you guys forgot to tax cheese and sarcasm while you're at it! Unless it comes from the proper region of the Ohio River Valley, I'm afraid it's just dry sparkling wit.

That would be the new world narrative yes. However, the word comes from the Greek σαρκασμός (sarkasmós) which is taken from σαρκάζειν (sarkázein) meaning "to tear flesh, bite the lip in rage, sneer"[0] Greece being in the EU, I think the EU has a pretty good claim to it! Alternatively, the English version of the word is definitely coming from the UK. Admittedly, most of the dry wit in the world comes from the perfidi…

Ahh, but it's never really been about where a particular thing arose, has it? Few people think wine or cheese were invented in the EU. It's about where they have taken on a distinct form and become essential to the culture.

I fear you are correct in that the UK has a strong claim on all counts here. That said, I think the Ohio River Valley has a distinctive form of sarcasm to the bone-dry wit of Albion.

Re: Airbus hit as new US tariffs come into force

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Post by yutuibe »

Meanwhile the eu is undercutting its own industries by making free trade agreements with china. Hey germany needs to sell their obsolete car tech somewhere.

Edit: of course there is a downvote. The incels must be quite annoyed at facts. EU industries will pretty much succumb.

Re: Airbus hit as new US tariffs come into force

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Post by fuoqi »

gridder wrote: post #66
jdsully wrote: post #12

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They are upset at France taxing tech companies. The targeted attack is very much intentional and intended to be a tit for tat.

Except tech companies pay almost 0 taxes in Eu, while wines etc. were already @ 14%, raised @ 25 %. Also tech companies have no competition in the EU, while wines and planes have competition in the US.

It's funny to hear about "fairness" from EU, when it also tries to weasel out of tariff agreements with so called "anti-dumping measures" [0] and, after that attempt has failed, now it tries to do the same with "carbon tax" [1]. The latter is sold to public as a care about climate change, but as argued by many in reality it's simply a new form of tariff in the ongoing world trade war to offset serious inefficiencies brought by wide adoption of solar and wind energy with simultaneous drastic reduction of nuclear capacity.

[0]: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-trade-wto-eu-russia-idUSK... [1]: https://www.wto.org/english/news_e/news20_e/good_11jun20_e.h...

Re: Airbus hit as new US tariffs come into force

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Post by mkr-hn »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #32
NullPrefix wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This sounds like welfare with extra steps

Well yes, but this way you're only giving welfare to some highly skilled people (plus useless execs) who also happen to be useful in wartime. Not the kind of people you want to loose long term. The EU also subsidizes Airbus, agriculture and other critical industries.

More people can become the kind of people who are useful in wartime if they aren't struggling to survive.

Re: Airbus hit as new US tariffs come into force

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Post by Alupis »

r00fus wrote: post #83
rapsey wrote: post #50

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Freemarkets exist in fairytales.

That doesn't seem to answer why we don't just nationalize it.

What makes you so sure the government would do a better job at running Boeing?

Are there any examples where a nationalized US organization is doing better than it's private industry counterparts?

737-MAX issues aside, Boeing is doing very well in just about every other aspect of their business, which is quite vast in scope. Everything from rocket ships to commercial airliners that aren't 737-MAX variants...

Re: Airbus hit as new US tariffs come into force

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Post by LockAndLol »

wonder_er wrote: post #67

"You're hurting your people with dumb tarriffs, making American-made anything more expensive to your population??? Oh yeah? Well, WE'RE GOING TO HURT OUR PEOPLE WITH THE SAME ILL-CONCEIVED PLANS!" Meanwhile, the people: "Ouch. Please stop. If you can't stop the other government from hurting their own people, can you at least stop hurting us, government?"

Next election: let's vote for the same people who hurt us. They said they wouldn't this time.

Re: Airbus hit as new US tariffs come into force

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Post by SllX »

ouid wrote: post #158
SllX wrote: post #116

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No, I mean in fairness, no tariffs is about as fair as it gets as far as trade goes. There are good reasons to impose tariffs otherwise. Slavery is a good reason, and the counterparty-country being a communist dictatorship is another good reason. You want to start a list?

It is an unfair requirement that goods produced in your state be made with fairly compensated labor, if there is no similar requirement on goods consumed in your state.

So drop the compensation minimums or put up a political tariff until the compensation minimums in the counter-party-country match yours (if that’s how it ends). Those are your two outs.

Tariffs raise revenue and serve political ends, which can be protectionist in nature or serve some other purpose. That’s fine, as long as we recognize that we’re using them for political ends. The fairest trade of them all is going to be between two people that can make an exchange without state interference and without feeling like the other person got more than they did, and tariffs interfere with that type of exchange.

Re: Airbus hit as new US tariffs come into force

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Post by toyg »

icare_1er wrote: post #78
cmehdy wrote: post #8

"Among the goods to see an impact from the widened net of additional duty are European made wines, which will attract a 25% duty, and French and German-made aircraft parts, attracting a 15% tax." As a French person, I can't help but feel like there's some sort of personal attack happening there. Wine and airplanes? Hey, I think you guys forgot to tax cheese and sarcasm while you're at it! Let's hope that a new US adm…

I thought that by merging in the EU you would be a giant who would "balance the US and China" ? :) Oh by the way, note that by leaving the EU, the UK is effectively NOT impacted by those, ie. it is a direct trading advantage.

Ah yes, the famous Brexit wine is ready to be exported the world over. /s

Re: Airbus hit as new US tariffs come into force

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Post by gridder »

fuoqi wrote: post #173
gridder wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except tech companies pay almost 0 taxes in Eu, while wines etc. were already @ 14%, raised @ 25 %. Also tech companies have no competition in the EU, while wines and planes have competition in the US.

It's funny to hear about "fairness" from EU, when it also tries to weasel out of tariff agreements with so called "anti-dumping measures" [0] and, after that attempt has failed, now it tries to do the same with "carbon tax" [1]. The latter is sold to public as a care about climate change, but as argued by many in reality it's simply a new form of tariff in the ongoing world trade war to offset serious inefficiencies…

It was a reality check, not looking for fairness, you cannot compare apple to oranges. In that case I would have spoken about the Italians, who do not produce any plane, nor tax any big tech, but their wines and cheeses are fu*ed no matter what. Also the US consumers should not be happy to pay more for good quality food. Regarding your points you’re probably right, but I hope that without trump, the rest of the world will kind of revert back to more fairness.
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