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Re: Sci-Hub Is Now on the ‘Uncensorable Web’

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People have been trying to make alternative DNS name systems and alternative root nameservers a thing for 20+ years now. Has never caught on. On the other hand I 100% endorse sci-hub having a presence as a tor service.

Instead of having it persist as a service on a laughably slow network, why can’t we use this outrage to galvanize the public to lobby for change of a broken system?

Re: Sci-Hub Is Now on the ‘Uncensorable Web’

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Hopefully with Dems in control we will see these companies punished for their bad behavior. Or at least laws passed that make the publication of research more open. The science should be funded and free. The applications of the science are where the money is to be made. These companies are unnecessary dinosaurs from a bygone era. It's time for them to fail and die off naturally. But it will probably take legislation…

Biden has been very comfy as a senator with the expansive IP claims made by Hollywood. I think he is going to be something of a disappointment to you.

That's unfortunate. Good thing he's really old with not much time left. Not that I wish him harm. He's certainly better than a lot of alternatives.

Re: Sci-Hub Is Now on the ‘Uncensorable Web’

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hopefully with Dems in control we will see these companies punished for their bad behavior. Or at least laws passed that make the publication of research more open. The science should be funded and free. The applications of the science are where the money is to be made. These companies are unnecessary dinosaurs from a bygone era. It's time for them to fail and die off naturally. But it will probably take legislation…

The Democrats are on Big Media's side even more so than the Republicans. Hoping that they're going to switch sides and "punish" big copyright and Media owners for their IP trolling and abuse is just wishful thinking.

Not all dems.

We all know what we got with the Republicans last 4 years. Let's see what changed on the other side of the aisle if anything.

Re: Sci-Hub Is Now on the ‘Uncensorable Web’

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hopefully with Dems in control we will see these companies punished for their bad behavior. Or at least laws passed that make the publication of research more open. The science should be funded and free. The applications of the science are where the money is to be made. These companies are unnecessary dinosaurs from a bygone era. It's time for them to fail and die off naturally. But it will probably take legislation…

Like how the opioid crisis was handled.. democrats and Republicans are exactly the same thing. American politics is WWE with old people in formal clothes..

I couldn't agree more. However there are voices at the fringes getting much much louder on both sides who are definitely not the same thing.

Re: Sci-Hub Is Now on the ‘Uncensorable Web’

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hopefully with Dems in control we will see these companies punished for their bad behavior. Or at least laws passed that make the publication of research more open. The science should be funded and free. The applications of the science are where the money is to be made. These companies are unnecessary dinosaurs from a bygone era. It's time for them to fail and die off naturally. But it will probably take legislation…

> Or at least laws passed that make the publication of research more open. Sci-hub was created under Obama, I don't remember neither him nor the party making anything to help them, quite the opposite actually: Elbakyan has been judged in absentia and sentenced twice under his presidency. Were she to put the foot on Western soil, she would pay it dearly thanks to this.

Obama failed in this regard. But Obama does not represent all dems. Nor does Obama represent Dems in 2021.

Re: Sci-Hub Is Now on the ‘Uncensorable Web’

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> “The DNS is like a phonebook for the internet. The addresses in the phonebook are the server IP addresses. DNS was created to give IP addresses human-readable names so with our platform, you’re finding the IP address through Handshake, not through a certificate authority ,” Namebase CEO Tieshun Roquerre told CoinDesk. (Emphasis mine.) Did this Namebase CEO just state on record that he doesn’t know how DNS works?

> The DNS is like a phonebook for the internet We are going to have to come up with a new metaphor soon. I haven't seen a phonebook in ages. Honestly I would be more likely to tell my kid "Phonebooks were like DNS for telephone numbers."

It's for the best. A phonebook is a single list compiled by one organization. DNS is more like asking a librarian for information on a subject, and the librarian handing back a reference book. The librarian may or may not know anything about the subject, but they know where to go to find the information.

Just like DNS: - Which librarian you ask can result in being pointed to a different reference book. - If the librarian is already familiar with the subject, they may be able to give you the answer directly to save time instead of pointing you to the reference book.

The phonebook metaphor was a good one to give to completely non-technical people, but technical people used it as well, and so often didn't intuitively understand that DNS involves clients exchanging data with arbitrary servers on the internet, using their own DNS server as a proxy. As a result, they often leave s significant communication channel open to the internet even from supposedly secure environments.

Re: Sci-Hub Is Now on the ‘Uncensorable Web’

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> The DNS is like a phonebook for the internet We are going to have to come up with a new metaphor soon. I haven't seen a phonebook in ages. Honestly I would be more likely to tell my kid "Phonebooks were like DNS for telephone numbers."

Dns is like contact app that's managed by a central authority.

But it's not. Only the first tier of servers is managed by a central authority. Everything else is delegated to tiers further down the tree.

Re: Sci-Hub Is Now on the ‘Uncensorable Web’

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Democrats are on Big Media's side even more so than the Republicans. Hoping that they're going to switch sides and "punish" big copyright and Media owners for their IP trolling and abuse is just wishful thinking.

Not all dems. We all know what we got with the Republicans last 4 years. Let's see what changed on the other side of the aisle if anything.

> Not all dems.

I know that we're not supposed to be snarky here at HN, but I'm failing to see how #NotAllDems is a sensible argument. Especially given President-Elect Biden's track record on this particular issue, and Vice-President-Elect Harris' history as a "hardline", "tough on crime" prosecutor.

Re: Sci-Hub Is Now on the ‘Uncensorable Web’

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I’m supportive of free distribution of scientific knowledge, BUT HN has a significant bias against believing in the power of legal systems. No matter how good the technology, it can eventually be censored if the law is strong enough. In the past, it was hard to separate “useful” internet activity from “illegitimate” because things were changing quickly. Today, a government might say its simply illegal to use end to e…

> No matter how good the technology, it can eventually be censored if the law is strong enough. I won't repeat sibling commenters here giving examples of where this is not true (US encryption mainly). I'm wondering if you have any examples of where it is true. What has been censored effectively? As far as I've been aware, legal censorship has never worked. "Cultural censorship" (a.k.a. "taboo") can be quite effective…

> What has been censored effectively?

>As far as I've been aware, legal censorship has never worked.

If you hold "worked" to the impossible standard of "completely eradicated its target" then no, just as basically no policy or initiative has ever "worked." Hell, polio still exists![0] By the much more reasonable standard of "suppressed the dissemination and popularization of its target" then there are a plethora of examples:

- Libel and slander laws successfully limit outright lies reported by the media.

- Various governments censor and punish criticism of themselves or specific officials.

- Copyright law successfully limits propagation of media.

- Certain content - typically sexual or graphically violent - cannot legally be broadcast.

- You are legally barred from lying about, for example, the ingredients of a product you produce or its efficacy.

- State secrets are heavily censored, and those who circumvent this censorship are heavily punished.

Not to mention individual cases of censorship, such as whether a man may publish his own autobiography.[1] That particular case was eventually decided in his favor, but there was no guarantee of that.

[0] https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/10/30/9290806...

[1] https://www.theguardian.com/music/2015/may/20/concert-pianis...

Re: Sci-Hub Is Now on the ‘Uncensorable Web’

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hopefully with Dems in control we will see these companies punished for their bad behavior. Or at least laws passed that make the publication of research more open. The science should be funded and free. The applications of the science are where the money is to be made. These companies are unnecessary dinosaurs from a bygone era. It's time for them to fail and die off naturally. But it will probably take legislation…

>>Hopefully with Dems in control we will see these companies punished for their bad behavior. Or at least laws passed that make the publication of research more open. "Yeah, meet the new boss, same as the old boss..." You write like someone who's never heard of "regulatory capture."

You write like someone who's a cynic.
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