Let's just say hypothetically the French government was propping some serious money into Airbus and wine industry that makes the United States not able to compete at all. What is the most effective way for the US to respond? Prohibit imports? Slap tariffs like now? Buy a serious amount of Euros? Pump even more money into the US industry? Or some sort of other alternative?
Airbus hit as new US tariffs come into force
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#92Earlier quoted context omitted.
They are upset at France taxing tech companies. The targeted attack is very much intentional and intended to be a tit for tat.
Except tech companies pay almost 0 taxes in Eu, while wines etc. were already @ 14%, raised @ 25 %. Also tech companies have no competition in the EU, while wines and planes have competition in the US.
Fairness would be no tariffs at all and no taxes that effectively act as tariffs because there’s no comparable domestic competition. Life isn’t fair though.
Re: Airbus hit as new US tariffs come into force
#93"Among the goods to see an impact from the widened net of additional duty are European made wines, which will attract a 25% duty, and French and German-made aircraft parts, attracting a 15% tax." As a French person, I can't help but feel like there's some sort of personal attack happening there. Wine and airplanes? Hey, I think you guys forgot to tax cheese and sarcasm while you're at it! Let's hope that a new US adm…
They are upset at France taxing tech companies. The targeted attack is very much intentional and intended to be a tit for tat.
> They come as the tit-for-tat battle over aircraft subsidies continues to escalate. Both Boeing and Airbus are accused of taking government subsidies to support their businesses, and both Washington and Brussels have won cases at the World Trade Organization to levy tariffs in response.
Occam's razor says we should go with the hypothesis that something that fits in perfectly with the ongoing actions both sides have been taking in a long running active dispute is probably part of that dispute.
Re: Airbus hit as new US tariffs come into force
#94"Among the goods to see an impact from the widened net of additional duty are European made wines, which will attract a 25% duty, and French and German-made aircraft parts, attracting a 15% tax." As a French person, I can't help but feel like there's some sort of personal attack happening there. Wine and airplanes? Hey, I think you guys forgot to tax cheese and sarcasm while you're at it! Let's hope that a new US adm…
Re: Airbus hit as new US tariffs come into force
#95"Among the goods to see an impact from the widened net of additional duty are European made wines, which will attract a 25% duty, and French and German-made aircraft parts, attracting a 15% tax." As a French person, I can't help but feel like there's some sort of personal attack happening there. Wine and airplanes? Hey, I think you guys forgot to tax cheese and sarcasm while you're at it! Let's hope that a new US adm…
Doesn't the EU already have very high tarriffs on a lot of things imported from the US? Cars for example?
Re: Airbus hit as new US tariffs come into force
#96Earlier quoted context omitted.
Do you disagree that tech companies should pay taxes for the money they gain in a country?
They are currently following EU law and France has decided to go rogue and tax them on their own.
The EU doesn't really have many tax regulations, so a country like Ireland might think "How else will I attract industry here?", and decide to allow companies to put a mailbox there in exchange for operating in the EU tax free.
This double-screws all other countries, first, because these companies pay zero taxes, so their tax contribution to the EU is zero. Second, because Ireland remains poor, because these companies pay almost zero taxes, so other countries need to send them money.
France didn't like this, so they introduced a tax that both French and non-French companies must pay (it is illegal in the EU to discriminate by country, so this tax affects French companies as well).
And that's pretty much it. This tax is high because it needs to compensate for the lack of taxes these companies pay in France, and for the money France needs to send to the tax heavens in which these companies operate.
TBH I hope other EU countries will follow France's example, and that at some point, when most countries have these rules in place to avoid getting double-screwed, the EU as a whole can agree on a set of regulations to forbid tax heavens within the EU.
Such a set of regulations needs a pretty high buy in from all EU countries (essentially unanimous consensus), and countries that cannot otherwise attract industry are incentivized to be against it.
With these new taxes, Tech companies will be more incentivized to move to the places in which it makes most physical sense for them to be, instead of a freaking mailbox in the artic. At that point, the incentive from Ireland and other tax heavens will be small, since there won't be any point for companies to move there in the first place.
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Also, while the EU usually negotiates as a front, the EU itself is a union, so it has little to absolutely no power over what any EU country does. Within the union, you have federation republics like Germany, presidental republics like France, monarchies with kings like Spain, and... without really stretching it... some EU countries aren't even democracies and are more like dictatorships. Point being, getting something done at the EU level requires widespread consensus, but the EU is extremely heterogeneous and consensus is really hard, which is why the EU gets nothing done, and why each country does whatever it wants. The EU doesn't even have a constitution.
It might be easy to criticize, e.g., the federal response to COVID in the US, but that's because people actually expected a Federal response to it, because there could have been one. In the EU, the federal response was almost non-existent, but nobody expected any because the EU has no power to do anything in this case. I don't really know whats worse.
Re: Airbus hit as new US tariffs come into force
#97"Among the goods to see an impact from the widened net of additional duty are European made wines, which will attract a 25% duty, and French and German-made aircraft parts, attracting a 15% tax." As a French person, I can't help but feel like there's some sort of personal attack happening there. Wine and airplanes? Hey, I think you guys forgot to tax cheese and sarcasm while you're at it! Let's hope that a new US adm…
[1] https://nos.nl/artikel/2362596-vs-komt-met-heffingen-op-fran...
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#98Earlier quoted context omitted.
Actually, most EU tariffs are rather poorly targeted. China is much better at making sure the pain is felt in very specific states and congressional districts to ensure that the message is delivered. Harleys, like wine, is generally considered a luxury good and so makes an easy target.
What's preventing the EU from being more targeted like this? Is it the collaborative deliberation (EU) vs. single-party rule (CN)? Is targeted tariffs something the G8/WTC doesn't like/promote?
The CCP is engaged in spying on the US down to the local politics level as part of their total war strategy. Read about FangFang to see that in action.
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#99Earlier quoted context omitted.
Doesn't the EU already have very high tarriffs on a lot of things imported from the US? Cars for example?
Nobody is trying to buy a Ford...
They sell a little under a million units a year there.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/642946/eu-ford-car-sales...
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#100Earlier quoted context omitted.
Should just nationalize it then. Otherwise propping up a company like that is anti-freemarket.
Freemarkets exist in fairytales.