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Re: Sci-Hub Is Now on the ‘Uncensorable Web’

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Post by llcoolv »

harperlee wrote: post #93
wolco5 wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Encription was banned in the US but it didn't work out so well. Parler build itself on Amazon which was the big mistake the next company won't follow. It's a wakeup call to anyone using the cloud that one day it might decide you are not welcome.

> Parler build itself on Amazon which was the big mistake the next company won't follow. There are servers you can host yourself, and there are networks (payments and communication) from which you can’t be independent, in practice.

Even this you can overcome - there is always crypto and while you're ultimately dependent on communication infrastructure, there are ways to make it infeasible to be blocked.

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Post by tachyonbeam »

obblekk wrote: post #38

I’m supportive of free distribution of scientific knowledge, BUT HN has a significant bias against believing in the power of legal systems. No matter how good the technology, it can eventually be censored if the law is strong enough. In the past, it was hard to separate “useful” internet activity from “illegitimate” because things were changing quickly. Today, a government might say its simply illegal to use end to e…

On the other hand, if you want to talk about the power of the law, you can look at the war on drugs. Billions have been spent fighting drug cartels in Mexico, tens (hundreds?) of thousands have been killed... And they unfortunately still manage regularly ship cocaine and meth to the US. For some people, the potential financial gain makes it worth the risk to dodge the legal system.

Knowledge is maybe not as addictive as meth, and people may not be willing to make the same sacrifices to get it across, but the risk required to run an encrypted network without government approval, and the efforts the government is willing to take to squash it, are also less.

Re: Sci-Hub Is Now on the ‘Uncensorable Web’

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Post by monocasa »

ghaff wrote: post #85
eternalban wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The word you are looking for is 'directory'. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telephone_directory

"Telephone directory" is a term that pretty much no one uses for phonebook.

Tell that to Active Directory.

Re: Sci-Hub Is Now on the ‘Uncensorable Web’

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Post by pedro2 »

Bancakes wrote: post #108
rasengan wrote: post #48

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It resolves for me! Try installing a handshake resolver directly like hsd [1] for full chain or hnsd [2] for SPV. [1] https://GitHub.com/handshake-org/hsd [2] https://GitHub.com/handshake-org/hnsd

Neither of those have binary releases. I just wanted to install some handshake addon to nextdns and visit sci hub. Is this possible at all or is there non-zero configuration required?

If you have NextDNS just enable Handshake in settings.

Re: Sci-Hub Is Now on the ‘Uncensorable Web’

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Post by darepublic »

obblekk wrote: post #38

I’m supportive of free distribution of scientific knowledge, BUT HN has a significant bias against believing in the power of legal systems. No matter how good the technology, it can eventually be censored if the law is strong enough. In the past, it was hard to separate “useful” internet activity from “illegitimate” because things were changing quickly. Today, a government might say its simply illegal to use end to e…

This competition between technology and law is ongoing, and they effect and influence each other's development. Makes sense some people are more invested in promoting the strength of one force versus the other. A bit of a simplification, but I see HN as largely a place for people who believe in what technology enables (creative, individualistic, free expression) versus the law

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Post by trianglem »

wolco5 wrote: post #57
obblekk wrote: post #38

I’m supportive of free distribution of scientific knowledge, BUT HN has a significant bias against believing in the power of legal systems. No matter how good the technology, it can eventually be censored if the law is strong enough. In the past, it was hard to separate “useful” internet activity from “illegitimate” because things were changing quickly. Today, a government might say its simply illegal to use end to e…

Encription was banned in the US but it didn't work out so well. Parler build itself on Amazon which was the big mistake the next company won't follow. It's a wakeup call to anyone using the cloud that one day it might decide you are not welcome.

It’s a wake up call to read the TOS and not promote what amounts to an open market for contract killings.

Re: Sci-Hub Is Now on the ‘Uncensorable Web’

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Post by trianglem »

some_random wrote: post #86
wolco5 wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Encription was banned in the US but it didn't work out so well. Parler build itself on Amazon which was the big mistake the next company won't follow. It's a wakeup call to anyone using the cloud that one day it might decide you are not welcome.

Unless you're talking about ham radio, encryption has never been banned in the US

He doesn’t know. All that comment is trying to get across is “woe is Parler”

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Post by Bukhmanizer »

happytoexplain wrote: post #32
alienlid wrote: post #17

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Tweet thread on his death that was illuminating for me https://mobile.twitter.com/hides_minimally/status/1348704670...

The first Tweet attempts to coopt the memory of him to legitimize an unsubstantive jab in an ideological battle that is adjacent to academic literature. That's sickening.

Yes, this bothers me so much about whenever people bring him up. He seemed like a brilliant, kind, and unique person, not just a totem of “our side vs your side”

Re: Sci-Hub Is Now on the ‘Uncensorable Web’

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Post by cleansy »

ErikVandeWater wrote: post #76
llcoolv wrote: post #6

It is worth noting that this is exactly what Aaron Swartz was bullied to his tragic death 8 years and a day ago. May he rest in peace. And kudos to Alexandra. P.S. Corrected the date, seems like I still live in 2020. Thank you, lazyant.

Reddit has conveniently left him out of their about page, despite being a cofounder: https://www.redditinc.com/ About Aaron: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Swartz

Reddit’s founders seem to be pretty spineless for doing so. I didn’t even realise that they removed him..

Re: Sci-Hub Is Now on the ‘Uncensorable Web’

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Post by _jal »

lucideer wrote: post #83
obblekk wrote: post #38

I’m supportive of free distribution of scientific knowledge, BUT HN has a significant bias against believing in the power of legal systems. No matter how good the technology, it can eventually be censored if the law is strong enough. In the past, it was hard to separate “useful” internet activity from “illegitimate” because things were changing quickly. Today, a government might say its simply illegal to use end to e…

> No matter how good the technology, it can eventually be censored if the law is strong enough. I won't repeat sibling commenters here giving examples of where this is not true (US encryption mainly). I'm wondering if you have any examples of where it is true. What has been censored effectively? As far as I've been aware, legal censorship has never worked. "Cultural censorship" (a.k.a. "taboo") can be quite effective…

Depends on what exactly you mean by 'censored'. You don't need to suppress every mention of something to have an effect.

The most recent US example I can think of is that the Trump administration has been reasonably successful in suppressing hospital C19 images:

https://theintercept.com/2020/12/27/covid-photography-hospit...

But every administration in living memory (and probably without that qualifier, too) has suppressed something.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_the_United_State...

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