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Re: Sci-Hub Is Now on the ‘Uncensorable Web’

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Post by eternalban »

sudobash1 wrote: post #58
oefrha wrote: post #5

> “The DNS is like a phonebook for the internet. The addresses in the phonebook are the server IP addresses. DNS was created to give IP addresses human-readable names so with our platform, you’re finding the IP address through Handshake, not through a certificate authority ,” Namebase CEO Tieshun Roquerre told CoinDesk. (Emphasis mine.) Did this Namebase CEO just state on record that he doesn’t know how DNS works?

> The DNS is like a phonebook for the internet We are going to have to come up with a new metaphor soon. I haven't seen a phonebook in ages. Honestly I would be more likely to tell my kid "Phonebooks were like DNS for telephone numbers."

The word you are looking for is 'directory'.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telephone_directory

Re: Sci-Hub Is Now on the ‘Uncensorable Web’

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Post by metiscus »

Proziam wrote: post #63
wolco5 wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Encription was banned in the US but it didn't work out so well. Parler build itself on Amazon which was the big mistake the next company won't follow. It's a wakeup call to anyone using the cloud that one day it might decide you are not welcome.

Unfortunately, even if you go to extremes, all (ISPs, Browsers, etc) have to do is choose not to connect to you.

So long as there are open source browsers, involuntary censorship via the browser will be difficult. One can always fork and start again. The most real danger comes when utility functions like access to an ISP or internet backbone interconnection are threatened.

Re: Sci-Hub Is Now on the ‘Uncensorable Web’

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Post by hobofan »

obblekk wrote: post #38

I’m supportive of free distribution of scientific knowledge, BUT HN has a significant bias against believing in the power of legal systems. No matter how good the technology, it can eventually be censored if the law is strong enough. In the past, it was hard to separate “useful” internet activity from “illegitimate” because things were changing quickly. Today, a government might say its simply illegal to use end to e…

> that once a large group of people are organized against you, it’s simply in feasible to rebuild decades of infrastructure in isolation.

Time will tell. Right we are on day 2(?) of Parler being banned from major platforms, and their main problems seems to be being banned from app stores and not necessarily infrastructure problems. thedonald.win seems to be doing just fine and Voat also seemed to sustain a significant userbase before shutting down (financing a platform is a whole other thing entirely).

Re: Sci-Hub Is Now on the ‘Uncensorable Web’

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Post by freeone3000 »

fjabre wrote: post #46
acdha wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Elsevier and Wiley have a lot of lawyers who are likely arguing that leaving it up is condoning copyright infringement. There’s a long history of threats for anything related to targets of these lawsuits, and other companies taking something offline quickly to avoid being caught in the crossfire.

Hopefully with Dems in control we will see these companies punished for their bad behavior. Or at least laws passed that make the publication of research more open. The science should be funded and free. The applications of the science are where the money is to be made. These companies are unnecessary dinosaurs from a bygone era. It's time for them to fail and die off naturally. But it will probably take legislation…

Democrats are politicians with listed policies, not faeries that grant wishes because you happen to be more aligned with them. Elimination of copyright isn't on their to-do list.

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Post by ghaff »

shivpat wrote: post #65
Proziam wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately, even if you go to extremes, all (ISPs, Browsers, etc) have to do is choose not to connect to you.

Tor - there's always a way

A very limited way. Ways for savvy individuals to secretively exchange information and communicate are one thing. Running a site that has a large data footprint and is intended to be accessible to a large unsophisticated audience is something else.

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Post by ErikVandeWater »

llcoolv wrote: post #6

It is worth noting that this is exactly what Aaron Swartz was bullied to his tragic death 8 years and a day ago. May he rest in peace. And kudos to Alexandra. P.S. Corrected the date, seems like I still live in 2020. Thank you, lazyant.

Reddit has conveniently left him out of their about page, despite being a cofounder: https://www.redditinc.com/

About Aaron: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Swartz

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Post by tsm »

hobofan wrote: post #73
obblekk wrote: post #38

I’m supportive of free distribution of scientific knowledge, BUT HN has a significant bias against believing in the power of legal systems. No matter how good the technology, it can eventually be censored if the law is strong enough. In the past, it was hard to separate “useful” internet activity from “illegitimate” because things were changing quickly. Today, a government might say its simply illegal to use end to e…

> that once a large group of people are organized against you, it’s simply in feasible to rebuild decades of infrastructure in isolation. Time will tell. Right we are on day 2(?) of Parler being banned from major platforms, and their main problems seems to be being banned from app stores and not necessarily infrastructure problems. thedonald.win seems to be doing just fine and Voat also seemed to sustain a significan…

They've been booted from AWS, which is a significant infrastructure problem.

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Post by bluGill »

shivpat wrote: post #65
Proziam wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately, even if you go to extremes, all (ISPs, Browsers, etc) have to do is choose not to connect to you.

Tor - there's always a way

The shut down silkroad. Or whatever it was that tried to use tor to anonymously allow selling illegal products.

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Post by emacdona »

angio wrote: post #51
emacdona wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But now that I think about it, the registry IS already decentralized. IE: .com is managed by an organization separate from .org. And the whole reason for "renting" from .com is because .com owns the space. If you "buy" a TLD on the Handshake blockchain, do you lose the ability to rescind delegations under that TLD once people have "bought" them?

The creation of new root TLD is decentralized, you can request a new one and then a bidding process for it starts where everyone can bid for it.

But you can buy a new TLD in the DNS, right? Granted, for more money and pending approval. How is the TLD you get from Handshake different? You still control it, right? And you have the power to revoke sub delegations within it, right? That's what's confusing me... the article seemed to indicate that by switching to Handshake, you won't get your name revoked ever again. But the detail that seems to have been left out is "... if you buy a Handshake TLD, as opposed to 'renting' space from a Handshake TLD holder".

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Post by jquery »

marvin wrote: post #12
BrawnLongHaul wrote: post #2

Thanks for sharing. I had heard of Handshake before but forgot about it. After the events of the past few days by so-called "big tech", I will be looking into this more seriously.

We're inching closer to realizing the "reductio ad absurdum" of censorship. Someone actually got censored, and took "well, if you don't like how the DNS does things, you can just make your own!" as a literal challenge. Wonder if this will eventually lead to further fragmentation. Hopefully encryption will keep it out of the lowest levels of infrastructure, I'd hate to see separate fiber lines put down to share contro…

I wonder if the author of xkcd is ever going to apologize for his comic on free speech.
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