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Poland Justice Minister announces online freedom of speech bill

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Re: Poland Justice Minister announces online freedom of speech bill

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I don't see how it's relevant. Would you be fine being a kulak in Soviet Russia being scheduled for execution because at least the Japanese are currently organizing mass murder in China as well?

> I don't see how it's relevant. Instead of looking at the neighbor's mess, clean up your own mess first. Fact is most of the former "free" (as in Liberty) world has been setting up the perfect legal building blocks for a long sitting reign of terror / dictatorship / authoritarianism, and big-tech is 100% complicit (because they will make money out of it).

Not everybody on hn is american, I thought speaking Polish would give it away.

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> Under its provisions, social media services will not be allowed to remove content or block accounts if the content on them does not break Polish law. This is kind of insane. So if I offer a free website- a private company operating as I like- I would be forbidden from removing content from my own website that I don't like because the person who wrote it- again, not a paying customer- wants it to be there. Not only…

I don't think all legal nuances are visible in one sentence resume probably hastily translated from Polish, but in any case there's nothing unusual about it. Many countries already have anti-discrimination laws which can seriously limit what you can do with your private property when it's open for public interaction. I'm sure they will use it as a blueprint.

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That's exactly what makes it a great example. If we accept the premise that /r/jailbait was not illegal (but "merely" reprehensible), then under this new law, Reddit would have been breaking the law when they decided to ban the subreddit.

A great example maybe to demonstrate inability of current criminal code and judicial systems, but not a good example to convince someone that privatized censorship is akchally a good thing.

Its because real life is not black and white. Its shades of gray mostly.

And while its ease to spot and codify extreme cases on both sides, its impossible for a law to clearly codify a clear line where good turns to bad.

The 'original' argument for this type of conversation is: what makes a nude picture an art piece, what makes it porn. If we were given 100 photos we would probably agree in most cases whats art and whats porn, but try to write rules for distinguishing them.

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Jack had every right, it’s his website. He pays for it, so he gets to decide what appears on it. The same would apply to anyone else running a website. This is not a new idea.

But he doesn't own Twitter. He's a representative of the shareholders. And TWTR is down 6.5% today on the news. So clearly this decision wasn't in the interest of Twitter's actual owners.

Twitter is still up significantly from just one year ago. Investors expect the odd blip, and this isn't the only one in the last 6 months. Long term they've done well, so they're happy. They're not going to start asking questions unless this turns into a long-term downward trend.

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it's getting downvoted because you said this in the most racist sounding way possible. "Various polish governments have done XYZ" vs. "polish people lie". It's similar to "Israel does XYZ to Palestinians" vs "Jews want XYZ to happen to Palestinians" (to use a common antisemitic trope trying to justify antisemitism)

Incidentally, Poles are one of the purest or most inbred nations in Europe, and you have no one else but Adolf Hitler to thank for it. You see echoes of that in Witcher 3, I know it caused some controversy overseas because of how uniformly white everyone is. No malicious intent there, just modern Poles projecting their world back in time. Between WW1 and WW2, percentage of people identifying as Poles was less than 70…

You posts remind me of how Goebbels propaganda machine described the jew: crooked nose, small eyes, greedy,...

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Incidentally, Poles are one of the purest or most inbred nations in Europe, and you have no one else but Adolf Hitler to thank for it. You see echoes of that in Witcher 3, I know it caused some controversy overseas because of how uniformly white everyone is. No malicious intent there, just modern Poles projecting their world back in time. Between WW1 and WW2, percentage of people identifying as Poles was less than 70…

You posts remind me of how Goebbels propaganda machine described the jew: crooked nose, small eyes, greedy,...

Fine.

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Put another way: In the US at least, r/jailbait didn't actually break any laws (well, maybe some individual posts did, but the whole idea of that subreddit was essentially to ogle underage women/children but in a way that was not explicitly illegal). So with something like this law all social media sites would be forced to host the equivalent of r/jailbait.

I don't see that as a good counter example. That sort of content should be illegal anyway.

Clothed pictures of minors should be illegal?

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I don't see that as a good counter example. That sort of content should be illegal anyway.

It should, but until legislators act, it's legal. That's the issue will the law.

The Constitution would need to amended.
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