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Facebook confirms data-sharing agreements with Chinese firms, including Huawei (2018)

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Re: Facebook confirms data-sharing agreements with Chinese firms, including Huawei (2018)

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Post by NotPavlovsDog »

Long-overdue legislation and increased activism, including activism by the tech community, and ongoing informing of consumers about dangers of sharing their data, are some of the possible mitigation steps.

A simple first step: send an article on digital privacy, that you like, to your network and invite them to get back to you with questions they have. A possible start: EFF have an excellent privacy hub https://www.eff.org/issues/privacy

I have taken a case study with my teen about people loosing careers after facebook flame-wars; and being hauled in by police on face-recognition and geolocation data. We have a discussion at least once a month about the cyber-dystopia we find ourselves in.

As I posted before, I'll just leave this here:

1. "It turns out that Facebook also buys data about your offline purchases. The next time you pay for a burrito with your credit card, Facebook will learn about this transaction and match this credit card number with the one you added in Messenger.

In other words, Messenger is a great Trojan horse designed to learn everything about you."

[1] https://techcrunch.com/2018/03/23/facebook-knows-literally-e... From 2018!

2. "Google now knows when its users go to the store and buy stuff.

Google has begun using billions of credit-card transaction records to prove that its online ads are prompting people to make purchases – even when they happen offline in brick-and-mortar stores [...] Privacy advocates said few people understand that their purchases are being analyzed in this way"

[2] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2017/05/23... From 2017!

Consumer data is the gold the consumer appears to be giving away, unwittingly or carelessly, regardless of the regime or geographic location.

Re: Facebook confirms data-sharing agreements with Chinese firms, including Huawei (2018)

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Post by Andrew_nenakhov »

logicslave wrote: post #15

Funny cognitive dissonance. On the one hand, restricting free speech in America, on the other, sending data to China

Not dissonance, but consistent cooperation with those currently in power.

Re: Facebook confirms data-sharing agreements with Chinese firms, including Huawei (2018)

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Post by [deleted] »

kebman wrote: post #27
bilekas wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So this OP's article is obsolete now ?

Obsolecense assumes that something has become outdated. If you did something morally reprehensible, then it doesn't become outdated unless you apologize and promise that you'll never do it again, or that you in the least admit that you made a mistake. I do not know if Facebook did that before ending their contract. Either way people and companies who misuse trust like that still deserve criticism. That's the only way…

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Re: Facebook confirms data-sharing agreements with Chinese firms, including Huawei (2018)

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Post by secondcoming »

ecmascript wrote: post #13
cbozeman wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Corporations adhering to 'woke' politics / ethics is a result of this overprotectedness that the most recent generation was subjected to. Jonathan Haidt has a lot of great work in this area. He mentions how things started to shift in earnest around 2015, and I gotta tell you, having left college at 2013, I definitely agree. I started seeing rumblings of it around that time. Eventually those people leave university an…

I completely disagree, I am ~30 and I believe my generation strongly dislikes woke culture and people younger than me hates it with all their hearts, except for a rare few that is into it. The main pushers of woke culture, imo, is my parents generation and generally people older than 40. My generation cares a lot more about facts than the boomer generation which cares a lot more about feelings. That is why when selli…

Once this pandemic is over I'd like to pay a visit to your world!

Re: Facebook confirms data-sharing agreements with Chinese firms, including Huawei (2018)

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Post by eternalban »

cbozeman wrote: post #11
ecmascript wrote: post #9

Facebook is one of these companies that are so disconnected with their user base they cannot even comprehend why people are upset. The best part about facebook is that they think they're so freaking good, lecturing others about how to speak and act while themselves doing the opposite. Corporate double speak, the main thing I hate about woke culture.

Corporations adhering to 'woke' politics / ethics is a result of this overprotectedness that the most recent generation was subjected to. Jonathan Haidt has a lot of great work in this area. He mentions how things started to shift in earnest around 2015, and I gotta tell you, having left college at 2013, I definitely agree. I started seeing rumblings of it around that time. Eventually those people leave university an…

> a lot of corporations are so terrified of losing a single nickel, that they'll support whatever trend of the moment they need to, to protect their profits.

This speculation doesn't really add up considering the historic behavior of corporations in context of the feelings of their employees, or threats to their bottom line because of employees.

One rule of thumb for detecting agency (if any) behind any major social shift is to review corporate cultural products that introduce and promote the social change to a wider audiance. The key question to answer is this: Were they leading or lagging indicators?

If you first encounter such shifts in advertising, TV, movies, and print, and then see gradual adoption, rest assured that it is not a 'bottom-up' phenomena.

Re: Facebook confirms data-sharing agreements with Chinese firms, including Huawei (2018)

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Post by Lucasoato »

FirstLvR wrote: post #28
NinjaSaves wrote: post #25

This is unbelievably concerning because Facebook is pre-installed on many phones now, and Facebook's apps send your out-of-app SMS messages to Facebook. This is part of the reason I quit the app; Literally gathering up my texts and keeping them on their servers without my knowledge or direct consent is an overwhelmingly huge violation of privacy. This is why I recommend everyone download a copy of their Facebook data…

the data is already up there, everywhere... instead of deleting facebook account just be a regular joe; never post personal stuff, just memes or scientific things, news this way wherever they data mine your data it will only return crap

This is not enough in my opinion: even if you are not sharing anything important, the fact that you are playing a role in a social network means you are pushing your friends into sharing more data.

Re: Facebook confirms data-sharing agreements with Chinese firms, including Huawei (2018)

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Post by greatgirl »

londons_explore wrote: post #12

What data was shared? Simple data of "users of the facebook app on your devices spent ~1 hour per day on the app" sounds like legitimate data to share to decide how much facebook should pay for the privilege of being preinstalled. I can see how the companies involved need to see the data to audit it. As long as that was the scope, that sounds fine.

It's pretty naive to think this is the extent of it. They didn't make a billion dollars by sending people information about how much time you spent on the app. They analyse your chats and posts to see what kinds of things you're interested in so they can build a sort of 'person data structure' full of data points unique to you that they can package up and sell to advertisers.

This is just my best guess anyway, based on what I've seen elsewhere in the industry. It's safe to assume Facebook is hoarding any data about you they can legally get their hands on, including contact info, speech info, facial info, information of people who don't even use Facebook.. There's almost no laws for this industry yet, you can collect anything.

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