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> Neutrons are countable with integers. No, neutron observations in experiments are countable with integers. But the model that correctly predicts all those observations does not have "neutrons" that are countable with integers everywhere and at all times between observations. > including explaining why particles come in countable units. What observations of particles are you claiming that QM (which includes quantum…
I remember reading on wikipedia that an accelerating charged particle radiates em field, but an observer falling onto the ground doesn't see em field from a motionless particle and that this puzzle has no explanation today. In the doubleslit experiment, can it be that the two slits set up magnetic or gravitational field that creates the interference pattern and photons are just a method to observe that pattern? Just…
Is the Schrödinger Equation True?
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Re: Is the Schrödinger Equation True?
#92The Schroedinger Equation is the most true thing I've ever encountered. It is clear, simple, obvious in its correctness; the greatest piece of physics since Maxwell. Once you've understood it it becomes almost impossible to imagine that the universe could possibly work any other way. (Contrary to this article's claim, the equation describes the behaviour of Helium atoms perfectly well; it's a failure of our imaginati…
Re: Is the Schrödinger Equation True?
#93If nature has a mind, it's not a good one. The medium for radiation is nature's ability to speed up and slow down it's clock. Just like an inflated tire will always find the leak, nature's always going to take the easiest way. Not having a mind, or having the worst mind possible, means you're going to do anything to take the easy route. This is special relativity. The tendency is to elevate spacetime to something mystical. Instead, you need to go lower, blur and know no distinction between frequency and intensity.
Coupled with the photoelectric effect of radiation hitting the entire object and not just a point of focus, and Brownian movements driving increasing entropy, meaning atoms exist but there's nothing really special on their boundary, you have a general principle. The object is in a bath of radiation particles acting everywhere. Brightness equates to an internal clock ticking fast. For every geometry with a specific boundary, there's a thermal topology just skimming the surface, that of infinite thermal dimensions. Hopefully that helps with Hilbert spaces.
Because this principle acts anywhere and everywhere, nature "goes to the tape" and will even change the record, everything around it faster than you can look at it, if that's the path of least effort.
How we get to atoms: Prior to Planck and Einstein, Newton's medium of radiation was just temperatures really close together. Under Newton's model, a closed closet full of cast iron pots and pans would end up with one burning bright hot, hot enough to swallow the sun, and everything else turning into black holes. Planck fixed this by saying if something is to exist, it has a capacity to absorb heat before it starts radiating it out. Using the speed of light, which goes back to Galileo, and the kinetic theory of gases which relates temperature to dimensionless probability, you have a limit on how small something to be. It's incredibly small, bringing the photon to a cosmic level if the Planck length is the size of a photon.
So particles aren't intuitive, not little grains of sand to build things out of. Anything with a discrete start and an end works even if it's purely thermal relating to an internal voltage on the medium of clock speed.
What makes an atom? They're always the same despite weight or lattice or grains. Any smaller means lightening's shooting out. Instead of counting what's inside or measuring all points of contact, just use that radiation topology to describe, or even define it completely. Likely nature is what does this.
Why this matters:
What if the holographic universe theory is right, and through technology we lower that distance to around the sun or even the earth?
What if string theory is right, and we increase the effective size of the string to the earth or the sun?
What would that look like?
Instruments inside the sun, whose orbit is a galactic one. If that is a matter wave that's following that orbit, and the other side of the interference pattern is the boundary of a black hole, that looks a lot like dark matter. Control that with another larger black hole, and another "data ground" to a therapeutic imaging machine, how could a tumor evade that? Dump more tech into that concept, get it big enough to microwave an incoming asteroid, humans are invincible on a cosmic scale.
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#94The author of this piece says he was struggling to understand complex conjugates. If you don't understand what that is, please read the wikipedia, so you can contextualize his level of familiarity with the material he speaks about. I don't think the author is being dishonest. But that admission is extremely striking to me. [edit: Can some admin give me guidance on how to make the point I'm clearly trying to make? I'm…
I mean.. if their problem is not understanding the math of conjugation at all, then yes, they're pretty elementary and are going to have trouble with QM. But if their problem is not being able to stomach the "just-because" explanations that every QM resigns to using to explain wtf complex conjugation has to do with reality, then I completely, totally sympathize. Learning QM consists of learning to silence your object…
Having studied both engineering and physics, I can tell you that there is nothing observable in the universe that requires complex arithmetic/algebra/theory. We use it because it makes the math a lot more convenient.
BTW, the use of complex math for real world applications goes way beyond QM, and predates it significantly. Engineers use it all the time: AC Circuit theory is full of it. As is electromagnetics. As is power (motors, etc). As is anything involving Fourier or Laplace Transforms (i.e. almost all engineering). You can come up with purely real mathematics to describe all of the above, but it would be tedious.
Re: Is the Schrödinger Equation True?
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Descartes based his entire concept of the existence of truth on the fact God exists and doesn't hate him. I don't think we have any good arguments for the existence of truth or even consensus reality beyond simple pragmatic acceptance of it as an assumption without evidence.
Not quite true. He used it as proof of gods existence. But his logical premise holds, and has yet to be countered in any meaningful way. Our awareness of our existence proves our existence.
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#96Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not quite true. He used it as proof of gods existence. But his logical premise holds, and has yet to be countered in any meaningful way. Our awareness of our existence proves our existence.
Sure but I wasn't questioning my existence. Only yours and everybody and everything else's. Descartes still would need to believe in God in order to believe in you. It doesn't seem like a particularly good argument.
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#97The Schroedinger Equation is the most true thing I've ever encountered. It is clear, simple, obvious in its correctness; the greatest piece of physics since Maxwell. Once you've understood it it becomes almost impossible to imagine that the universe could possibly work any other way. (Contrary to this article's claim, the equation describes the behaviour of Helium atoms perfectly well; it's a failure of our imaginati…
What's natural about SE? From my limited understanding, SE tells us that all particles in the world are interconnected in a peculiar way by a "energy field" of some sort.
The basics of quantum mechanics are:
1. Any system can be described in a linear "state space", whose basis vectors (roughly speaking) are each possible arrangement of the things being described (every thing's location). However, all possible states include (complex) linear combinations of these. This is usually described as the "wave function", you can plug in any value for coördinates of all your things and get a number back out.
2. States in a closed system evolve according to the (time-dependent) Schrödinger equation, -i h-bar d/dt (state) = E(state). This is sometimes phrased as "energy is the generator of time translation" (note that this phrasing holds true in the Hamiltonion formulation of classical mechanics too, but with different, related meanings). Actually calculating this can be difficult, and you might need to do various tricks such as decomposing in a convenient basis.
No all-encompasing energy field binding and penetrating us needed, though the equation is non-local in the sense that it could depend on the entire world. (In fact, it's quasi-local in practice; energy is usually just a function of where things are (local), and how different that coefficient is on infinitesimally adjacent states (i.e. spacial derivatives of the wavefunction). But this does let changes propagate at any speed, including faster than light. Basic QM is not Einsteinian relativistic. It is perfectly Galilean relativistic in a very nice way though.)
3. If you measure a system, you're going to get results that are probabilistic with the probabilities proportional to the (absolute value of) the square of this wavefunction. After that, the state is reset to whay you measured, and evolution will proceed according to 2.
Re: Is the Schrödinger Equation True?
#98I personally came to a conclusion, that "true" is not a word to apply to a physics equation. Truth is a mathematical abstraction, which is useful often, but to speak about truth we need to assume as given some other truths and call them axioms. In this sense almost anything could be true given the right axioms. The article seems to be confused and mixes ideas like "true", "real" and "valid". Math statements might be…
Is this another way of saying "All models are wrong, but some are useful." Us mathematically, and computer inclined people like to think math has a sort of universal truth to it. But it only has truth within the bounds of it's own system, or it would break one of Godel's incompletness theorems, right? As I write this, I'm kind of thinking that the "All models are wrong" George Box quote is almost a statement of Godel…
All models are wrong by definition. The goal of the modelling is to simplify things, makes them less complex then they are in the reality. So model is wrong. QED.
So to say "the model is wrong" is to say nothing. No new information transferred. While to say "the model is not valid" is to state that the model doesn't deliver it's promises. It is a non-null information about the model.
I mean, yes, it could be seen as an another way to say "all models are wrong, but some are useful". But I'd prefer not to say that, because I see "wrongness" to be a notion inapplicable to a model. It is ok though to apply it nevertheless to make a nice catchphrase.
> it only has truth within the bounds of it's own system, or it would break one of Godel's incompletness theorems, right?
I'd prefer not to say this either. I'm not so sure that there is no way to create The Mathematics, which would go beyond arithmetic so Godel theorems would be inapplicable to it. Godel theorems more then just a regular model, they are a model within a model modelling a model about a model. What do they say us about the reality I'm not sure. How to apply them to the reality without losing validity?
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#99Newton's equations are approachable, closer to human experience and comprehension. Feynman's diagrams, perhaps a step in the right direction.
True? Science is not math; it has no proofs. A 'theory' is the expression of a model that's stood the test of time - but one piece of evidence can force it to be re-built. Science forces us to search for and adapt to the new. Feynman said, "When someone says ‘science teaches such and such’, he is using the word incorrectly. Science doesn’t teach it; experience teaches it."
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#100The Schroedinger Equation is the most true thing I've ever encountered. It is clear, simple, obvious in its correctness; the greatest piece of physics since Maxwell. Once you've understood it it becomes almost impossible to imagine that the universe could possibly work any other way. (Contrary to this article's claim, the equation describes the behaviour of Helium atoms perfectly well; it's a failure of our imaginati…
What's natural about SE? From my limited understanding, SE tells us that all particles in the world are interconnected in a peculiar way by a "energy field" of some sort.