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Re: CD Projekt Red is under investigation

#191
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It seems that everybody seems to hate this game, or rather unfinishedness of it. Meanwhile, I am playing it since 2 weeks on PS4 (not Pro) and totally enjoying every minute it.

At its core it’s a decent game. The issue is with so many bugs (many of which preventing a player from finishing a story quest) it’s hard to focus on the game when your copy keeps crashing, glitching, frustrating you.

Yeah I'm worried it'll just frustrate me. I got it for Christmas but I'm hoping for a patch before I install. Apparently there's one due in a week or two and another next month.

Re: CD Projekt Red is under investigation

#192
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I fully expect 2077 to be a fantastic game sometime around winter or spring 2022 which is when I'm planning to get it. I get the desire to play something new but I'm only now finishing Witcher 3 and I really enjoy the polished experience.

The game is missing systems and features that were promised. Can you count missing consequences or police AI as bugs? How about driving physics? No NPC schedules? Gun down a gang night club and the same faction doesn't care in another area. What are security cameras for? How about traffic AI...

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#193

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Really sounds like your being a bit of an apologist. The game is such a mess, both in terms of bugs and the mismanagement of perception. CDPR should have never released the game if they had consumer's interests in mind. Another year or so and the game might have been ready.

I'm saying you can skip it and not buy it and if you bought it you can refund it, it's not a shame to not like something. We're not robots, we're people and each of us have different demands. Unless you're one of those junkies who want to play it now despite you don't like it. Nobody forces you to not wait a year. Fortunately we're not living in totalitarian society yet.

But the price is not merely monitary. People buy things because they've invested an amount of confidence in the quality of something, not on a lark or some dispassionate experiment to find out whether something is garbage or not. That part of the price cannot be so easily refunded, and CDPR did as much as they could to get people to invest their non-monetary coin in their product. It's a kind of theft.

Re: CD Projekt Red is under investigation

#194

Now Morgan Stanley appeared that they already bought over 5% of CDP stocks and I'm waiting for hostile takeover and gamers to cry again - or maybe not cause they are already blinded by their nice beloved corporations - and say goodbye to another independent studio. Well we'll see. Everyone believed that CDP is big studio yet if you see on CP2077 credits most of graphics / QA work was outsourced, 3-4 people were worki…

It doesn't help though that marketing presented it like a GTA in the future. Story is IMO very weak. So weak story, weak open world... this is rather average game. I don't know how it ended up hyped so much.

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#195
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The problem isn't releasing a broken game. There's a huge challenge in making and releasing games and meeting a specific quality bar. That said, knowing you have a broken game and saying it's great is extremely avoidable and totally should stop. Tell me the game is a mess and let me play with it.

> releasing games and meeting a specific quality bar. Only if you're holding yourself to an impossible deadline. Given time – and, I'll argue, developers who weren't burnt out by the work schedule – and this could have been resolved. But they didn't take that time, they went ahead with a non-functional game just to meet the deadline. They abused their developers to meet an (demonstrably) impossible deadline. This is…

I'm not sure that's actually true. Having worked in the industry, games do not always get better with more work and time. Some systems are just too complicated to fix fast than bugs get introduced.

Re: CD Projekt Red is under investigation

#196
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The problem isn't releasing a broken game. There's a huge challenge in making and releasing games and meeting a specific quality bar. That said, knowing you have a broken game and saying it's great is extremely avoidable and totally should stop. Tell me the game is a mess and let me play with it.

> The problem isn't releasing a broken game. There's a huge challenge in making and releasing games and meeting a specific quality bar. That's true for any complex product. There are reasonable expectations, and indeed laws, about products being fit for purpose. I don't see why video games are unique. It's possible to patch them after release. This partially explains, but does not excuse, the pattern of games releasi…

I'm not suggesting it's unique, but I am suggesting that expecting them all to be delivered fast, high quality, and reasonably priced is a very tall order.

Re: CD Projekt Red is under investigation

#197

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I'm saying you can skip it and not buy it and if you bought it you can refund it, it's not a shame to not like something. We're not robots, we're people and each of us have different demands. Unless you're one of those junkies who want to play it now despite you don't like it. Nobody forces you to not wait a year. Fortunately we're not living in totalitarian society yet.

But the price is not merely monitary. People buy things because they've invested an amount of confidence in the quality of something, not on a lark or some dispassionate experiment to find out whether something is garbage or not. That part of the price cannot be so easily refunded, and CDPR did as much as they could to get people to invest their non-monetary coin in their product. It's a kind of theft.

People mostly buy things they don't need. That's how corporate capitalism works. Most of things people buy, they drop second day and forget about it. To give a prosaic example - if people use phone for calling they don't have to buy new phone every year.

People are also conformists so they believe new is better. Most of them don't want to wait for this better to arrive, if they wait, they imagine things how this new stuff will look like and create false dreams.

They didn't invested time, they wanted to have things they imagined to be good - nobody imagine bad stuff for themselves. They lived in this imaginary world for long time and created pyramids and flying cars and as always at the end reality hit them hard. The bigger your imaginary world grow the bigger slap you get at the end - that's simply called life.

The real problem is people don't have much freedom these days besides internet and games due to how other things outside looks like. And world looks like this cause of the same people who think they live in the world they imagined not in the real world. The insanity grows bigger and bigger and sometimes blows. When it blows people are angry and fight. After that there is peace cause they go back to their imaginary world full of borders they already created.

Re: CD Projekt Red is under investigation

#198

Now Morgan Stanley appeared that they already bought over 5% of CDP stocks and I'm waiting for hostile takeover and gamers to cry again - or maybe not cause they are already blinded by their nice beloved corporations - and say goodbye to another independent studio. Well we'll see. Everyone believed that CDP is big studio yet if you see on CP2077 credits most of graphics / QA work was outsourced, 3-4 people were worki…

> They managed to make game on their own engine and launch it on 5 platforms at the same time that's impressive to me based on number of developers I saw in credits.

Although I appreciate the hard work of the developers and respect them for it as a developer, as a consumer I don't care if they paid 5 developers or 5000. I care about the final result, and the truth is I've never seen a game this broken (even though I played assassin's creed unity).

> probably 90% of people who bought the game are happy cause the story is solid and you can go trough story without problems

Probably not, do you have any data to backup that statement? 41% of the sales are consoles[2] and the game is basically unplayable for xbox one, xbox one s, PS4 and PS4 slim. So broken that it was even retired from the play station store. So to get that 90% you would need 100% of the PC users happy and over 75% of the consoles users happy, which isn't very realistic if oyu ask me. And even on PC we can't assume 90% are happy, PC player base has shrunk 79% since launch[1] and those are the happiest users. The PC (again, the best one) has about 24.9 negative reviews in metacritic[3].

The story seems solid and I'm enjoying it so far, but saying that you can go through it without problems is simply laughable. I haven't had any crash so far but I needed to restart a few times because the game entered an unplayable state, such as being unable to pick a dialog, draw a weapon, or entering a location. And I've played less than 5 hours.

> all major main story related problems were fixed before Christmas

I only opened it last week, the game is still unplayable.

> If you focus on dialogues and don't try to destroy city like in GTA the game is great

It's a videogame, not a novel, even though I appreciate a good story (and so far it seems REALLY good), and even if I think it's one of the most interesting cities of any videogame ever, I also expect proper gameplay. And even dialogs are kinda pointless, many times you have multiple choices that aren't actually choices and you end up in the same spot. The life paths so far seem useless and people who completed the game say they are useless. Which isn't necessarly bad because I also like linear games.

At least on xbox series X input is broken: sometimes after leaving a menu it keeps a previous state of the controller, sometimes some action cannot be performed god knows why, such as changing the camera in a vehicle, when a button can perform multiple actions instead of having a predictable order it seems to do a random thing (pressing B during a dialog sometimes skips ahead, sometimes crouches), etc.

Standing on some surfaces triggers weird behavior such as the character stuttering, the other day I stepped on an inclined surface and the character went projected at insane speed, etc.

Car physics are just bad, it's not a bug, it's simply poorly implemented, just do a slow turn, it's enough to be obvious how broken it is. A car doesn't turn like that. Driving at high speed is simply clumsy, it feels just bad.

NPCs do very stupid things even in missions where they're supposed to be scripted, etc.

No it's not insanity, the game is simply broken. I enjoyed The Witcher 3 a lot, way more than I enjoyed GTA V, and quite frankly I'm very disappointed. I believe it will be a great game if the fix it, but in the meantime I'm holding it for a few months until it's playable.

References: 1- https://www.extremetech.com/gaming/318890-cyberpunk-2077s-pc... 2- https://www.futuregamereleases.com/2020/12/cyberpunk-2077-so... 3- https://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/cyberpunk-2077/user-revie...

Re: CD Projekt Red is under investigation

#199

Now Morgan Stanley appeared that they already bought over 5% of CDP stocks and I'm waiting for hostile takeover and gamers to cry again - or maybe not cause they are already blinded by their nice beloved corporations - and say goodbye to another independent studio. Well we'll see. Everyone believed that CDP is big studio yet if you see on CP2077 credits most of graphics / QA work was outsourced, 3-4 people were worki…

It doesn't help though that marketing presented it like a GTA in the future. Story is IMO very weak. So weak story, weak open world... this is rather average game. I don't know how it ended up hyped so much.

Probably cause there is not much possible technology set in future oriented IP around so demand is bigger than media coverage. Decent movies you can count using hands, same with manga / anime. Books are a little better but book authors are mostly the same and not writing anything right now. RPG I know around 3 - maybe. Games are not many. Whole genere is very exploitable cause it's near future but hard to imagine and describe.

Now compare it with series about police / gangsters or war.

Re: CD Projekt Red is under investigation

#200
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Do you have an example of a bug that prevents quest completion? I've been lucky enough to not run into a single one during my 100+ hours so far and I've been trying to do every quest. I worry that these things keep getting said without people actually experiencing them. I have several friends playing on PS4 without the reported crashes. Not saying you haven't, I just don't have any direct knowledge of the issues that…

On PS4 I ran into a bug near the end of "The Pickup" mission where Jackie gets stuck inside the All Foods building. The next objective is to talk to him, but once you exit the building you can't re-enter or call him. I had to go back to a previous save a few times. Sometimes the game just crashes and I have to restart the console. There have been some other bugs that I just found funny, like once I was driving and al…

The crashes seem like the worst problem. I imagine that is really frustrating on console. Thanks for sharing.
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