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GNOME has no thumbnails in the file picker and my toilets are blocked

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Re: GNOME has no thumbnails in the file picker and my toilets are blocked

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Post by m463 »

sfgweilr4f wrote: post #596
lmm wrote: post #445

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can contribute all you want but it's not going to be enough to stop Pottering or RedHat from hijacking the project and breaking everything. I used to contribute but these days what's the point?

For more information on "Pottering", a random search produced this: https://slated.org/the_poetterisation_of_gnu_linux The more you know.

I've never heard of the term before, I wonder if it's the basis for "puttering" as in "puttering about the house"

EDIT: nope, it's more direct: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lennart_Poettering

a connection the article didn't make clear.

Re: GNOME has no thumbnails in the file picker and my toilets are blocked

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Post by andrekandre »

jffhn wrote: post #499
benlivengood wrote: post #247

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GUIs should effectively be finite state machines and people expect them to operate that way. People understand latency and get used to it; it happened on mainframes and other terminal applications and people memorize the state machine and can tab and type through an interface at high throughput anyway. One of the most frustrating experiences is related to the OP; reflow in browsers as new elements load making it impo…

I remember the time (10 years ago?) where you could go to google webpage and start typing your search immediately. Then one day I got my typing deleted once the page finished loading. I thought Google would quickly fix this, but soon realized that this kind of annoying asynchronous behavior was becoming a new normal for a lot of GUIs. I have a rule in my GUIs to only show up something when it’s consistent and usable:…

is this possibly a case of "leaky abstraction"? e.g a "data oriented" ui where data flows in 1 direction, so updates to said data blows away any intermediate state?

Re: GNOME has no thumbnails in the file picker and my toilets are blocked

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Post by cycloptic »

stretchcat wrote: post #705
scaramanga wrote: post #682

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you talking about judging his contributions and significance to architecture or his worth as a person? I get that the two things have some overlap and aren't cleanly divisible. What we do is a major part of who we are. But I mean, it's one thing to say "I think it [his architecture] is awful", or even "I think his architecture had a negative impact on people/society/cherished values/whatever" but quite another to…

I am not talking about judging his 'worth as a person'; rather his 'worth as a developer.' Maybe in his private life he's a wonderful person, who knows? Who cares? It is his professional activities that concern people.

You are of course welcome to have an opinion, and to choose whatever product you want based on that opinion. But if the extent of your opinion is "this person is a jerk and their work is terrible and not to my taste" that is unlikely to convince that person to change course, especially if they don't know you and if the decision is already made.

Re: GNOME has no thumbnails in the file picker and my toilets are blocked

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Post by IgniteTheSun »

Regarding your description of blocked toilet (i.e., where a plunger is needed every time): I used to have the same problem but then I realized that air bubbles came up every time I started using the plunger. That led me to realize that the toilet paper I was using trapped and carried a lot of excess air into the piping. I found another brand that is just as soft and strong but that does not do this - upon switching, the number of instances where a plunger was needed fell dramatically.

Re: GNOME has no thumbnails in the file picker and my toilets are blocked

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Post by neop1x »

snvzz wrote: post #27

There's more serious reasons this file picker is broken. Here's a trivial to reproduce and obvious issue that's been there for several years now: 1. Open a directory that loads slowly (e.g. one with thousands of files on a smb3 mount) 2. While the list is loading, select a file (but do not open it) 3. Wait for the whole list to load Once the list finishes loading, the file on the very top of the list gets automatical…

There are also multiple file pickers (Qt/GTK) and they don't share history or recent file list. Also in GTK picker if I select an existing file on Save by accident, I can't unselect it and I have to write filename again manually myself or close the picker and try again. This is annoying, time-consuming and frustrating.

File pickers are one of the things I don't like on GNU/Linux unfortunatelly, saying that as someone who daily uses it as a primary platform.

MacOS and Windows file pickers work better.

Re: GNOME has no thumbnails in the file picker and my toilets are blocked

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Post by neop1x »

Zardoz84 wrote: post #479

What I find more a pain in the ass of the GtkFileChooser, it's that I can't type the path. It's very annoying, when you need to jump to a path that you have on the clipboard and you can't, and you are forced to navigate to these path because the removed a simple text field to puth the path. The equivalent from QT/KDE does this far better. It allows the user to switch from the graphical "user friendly" path representa…

CTRL+L works and I have been using it but I had to google it first to learn about it!

It is not intuitive and bad experiemce. There could be a toolbar button for that or a permanently-visible address box or it could read clipboard and suggest something, be smarter.

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Post by koolba »

ziftface wrote: post #414
JeremyNT wrote: post #280

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> KDE is so amazingly good that there is no excuse to keep using Gnome. I have nothing against KDE, but come on. Many of us really do prefer GNOME despite its perceived deficiencies. This is just a matter of personal preference.

I'll never understand this. It's like people who swear by xfce. Both are borderline unusable to me, but gnome certainly isn't in that category, despite its bugs.

Xfce is stable, lightning fast, and best of all, its users never have to learn a new interface layout every other year.

Re: GNOME has no thumbnails in the file picker and my toilets are blocked

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Post by rtpg »

skynet-9000 wrote: post #108

How about when you try to save a file, so you choose File Save As, change the directory, and then try to start typing the filename and it starts searching (recursively!) instead of letting you type your new filename? Even better (not), then it lands on the first matching search item and makes the filename that filename?

this one gets me _all the time_. I really am just trying to figure out where I am! Please let me use the default provided filename!

Re: GNOME has no thumbnails in the file picker and my toilets are blocked

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Post by lazulicurio »

enriquto wrote: post #76
snvzz wrote: post #27

There's more serious reasons this file picker is broken. Here's a trivial to reproduce and obvious issue that's been there for several years now: 1. Open a directory that loads slowly (e.g. one with thousands of files on a smb3 mount) 2. While the list is loading, select a file (but do not open it) 3. Wait for the whole list to load Once the list finishes loading, the file on the very top of the list gets automatical…

Even worse is when you know the exact file name that you want to open, and the interface fights against you writing it! For example I want to open /tmp/a.png, but there's thousands of files on /tmp and the cursor disappears while "loading" them, and and some characters of the file name are lost, or typed on different parts of the interface.

This exact issue is actually what prompted me to switch to Kubuntu/KDE. It's still not perfect out of the box, but it's matched my expectations way better than recent versions of GNOME have.

Re: GNOME has no thumbnails in the file picker and my toilets are blocked

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Post by jojohohanon »

benlivengood wrote: post #247
snvzz wrote: post #27

There's more serious reasons this file picker is broken. Here's a trivial to reproduce and obvious issue that's been there for several years now: 1. Open a directory that loads slowly (e.g. one with thousands of files on a smb3 mount) 2. While the list is loading, select a file (but do not open it) 3. Wait for the whole list to load Once the list finishes loading, the file on the very top of the list gets automatical…

GUIs should effectively be finite state machines and people expect them to operate that way. People understand latency and get used to it; it happened on mainframes and other terminal applications and people memorize the state machine and can tab and type through an interface at high throughput anyway. One of the most frustrating experiences is related to the OP; reflow in browsers as new elements load making it impo…

I’ve spent more time chasing an iPhone folder with an app I want to put into it than I care to admit.

That websites and volunteer ui projects get it wrong is understandable- the problem domain is huge. But dragging an app onto a folder is a rather constrained problem that should be easier to solve.

Yet...

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