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Facebook Says It Is Removing All Content Mentioning 'Stop the Steal'

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Re: Facebook Says It Is Removing All Content Mentioning 'Stop the Steal'

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Post by MichaelApproved »

nostromo wrote: post #63
the_cat_kittles wrote: post #42

im saying this because it seems like such an obvious point but i havent seen it here- why are people who want the government to be replaced by the "free market" allowed to be upset that private companies are silencing them? what is the rationale for squaring this circle

The opposite of a contradiction is another contradiction. Why are people that believe in regulation of the world's largest corporations suddenly laissez-faire libertarians? If you have opposed the Citizen's United ruling for a decade, don't suddenly act like you care about a corporation's civil liberties, including freedom of association and freedom of expression. The answer is obvious: both sides want power more tha…

You’re unintentionally making a straw man. There is no contradiction.

I believe social media should be regulated more tightly. Until then they have the freedom to remove the content according to their TOS.

Just because I’m pointing out that they have the freedom it doesnt mean I believe they should continue to have the freedom.

Government regulations are desperately needed.

Even more so, government enforcement of existing regulations are needed. There’ve been many threats of violence on social media with few being investigated.

Re: Facebook Says It Is Removing All Content Mentioning 'Stop the Steal'

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Post by lancesells »

tannhaeuser wrote: post #112

That's not censorship. It's Fb's and other social media's desperate attempt to appease new government to prevent strong legislation, such as being held liable for their user's content, forced real names, regulation, and breakup.

Yes, the question really is are they liable for the violence that's produced through their algorithms?

Re: Facebook Says It Is Removing All Content Mentioning 'Stop the Steal'

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Post by dd36 »

ABeeSea wrote: post #96
nostromo wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The opposite of a contradiction is another contradiction. Why are people that believe in regulation of the world's largest corporations suddenly laissez-faire libertarians? If you have opposed the Citizen's United ruling for a decade, don't suddenly act like you care about a corporation's civil liberties, including freedom of association and freedom of expression. The answer is obvious: both sides want power more tha…

I don’t see a contradiction here. The point of classical liberalism is well-regulated capitalism. Economic freedom combined with a rule of law to protect the citizenry. You can want to regulate Twitter and believe they have the freedom to kick whoever they want off their platform without a contradiction.

This. Regulation would be of harmful misinformation. Arguably, these companies are late in their self-regulation. People were tired of the endless excuses for double standards.

Re: Facebook Says It Is Removing All Content Mentioning 'Stop the Steal'

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Post by trident5000 »

Grimm1 wrote: post #91
the_cat_kittles wrote: post #42

im saying this because it seems like such an obvious point but i havent seen it here- why are people who want the government to be replaced by the "free market" allowed to be upset that private companies are silencing them? what is the rationale for squaring this circle

Hi I'm a free market proponent, I'm totally fine with what's going on here. Edit: My only thought is if people feel these companies are viewed as too critical to be self moderating than maybe these do need anti monopoly action to foster competition in the area. I absolutely do NOT agree with giving them any special statuses which would do the exact opposite of fostering competition.

My favorite example of how over the top things have become is that Google has monopolies inside of a monopoly. Youtube has something like 98% of the video streaming market.

Re: Facebook Says It Is Removing All Content Mentioning 'Stop the Steal'

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Post by _ea1k »

systemvoltage wrote: post #80
rammy1234 wrote: post #14

Like Naval says, if you stop the king, then you are THE KING.

The king is stopped through a nationwide election, independently conducted by each state, contested in 64 accounts of court and dismissed by the supreme court. So that makes the democratic process - the KING. Right?

Kind of, but noone voted on the official POTUS account being effectively banned.

Re: Facebook Says It Is Removing All Content Mentioning 'Stop the Steal'

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Post by baron816 »

nostromo wrote: post #63
the_cat_kittles wrote: post #42

im saying this because it seems like such an obvious point but i havent seen it here- why are people who want the government to be replaced by the "free market" allowed to be upset that private companies are silencing them? what is the rationale for squaring this circle

The opposite of a contradiction is another contradiction. Why are people that believe in regulation of the world's largest corporations suddenly laissez-faire libertarians? If you have opposed the Citizen's United ruling for a decade, don't suddenly act like you care about a corporation's civil liberties, including freedom of association and freedom of expression. The answer is obvious: both sides want power more tha…

The people who are supportive of this move by Facebook and similar moves by other tech companies aren’t motivated by a newfound sense of liberalism. Many have been arguing that the government should have been forcing FB et al to do this kind of stuff (ie, stopping “hate speech”) for years now.

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Post by unsui »

aplummer wrote: post #72
the_cat_kittles wrote: post #42

im saying this because it seems like such an obvious point but i havent seen it here- why are people who want the government to be replaced by the "free market" allowed to be upset that private companies are silencing them? what is the rationale for squaring this circle

By asking the question you’re assuming the point is the have a rational argument on consistent beliefs - but it isn’t. It’s to gaslight and misdirect for political gain.

That is correct.

Any rationalization is post-hoc, done in support of the pre-existing (and pre-determined) goal.

As such, because it's entirely post-hoc, this leads to moving the goalposts, and any respective adjustments in rationalizations.

The primary question one must ask, in these circumstances:

Is my counterpart arguing in good faith?

If the signs point to bad faith (e.g., telltale language, gaslighting or similar methods employed, etc), then rational argument is not their currency.

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Post by dd36 »

chordalkeyboard wrote: post #134
the_cat_kittles wrote: post #42

im saying this because it seems like such an obvious point but i havent seen it here- why are people who want the government to be replaced by the "free market" allowed to be upset that private companies are silencing them? what is the rationale for squaring this circle

> why are people who want the government to be replaced by the "free market" allowed to be upset that private companies are silencing them? Because there isn't a free market, but a regulated market and there is a widespread perception (on both the left and the right) that the regulations are tilted in favor of the establishment and oligarchs, and against normal people, workers, consumers, and taxpayers. Furthermore w…

How are these companies regulated?

Re: Facebook Says It Is Removing All Content Mentioning 'Stop the Steal'

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Post by yspeak »

zucked wrote: post #118
ffggvv wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

yes everyone who disagrees with you is a hypocrite and dumb and it’s impossible they may have actual reasoning behind their thoughts. you’re very empathetic

Not op - but please provide an explanation that counters the argument, then. Seriously, I would really like to understand how to come to terms with two world views that appear to be diametrically opposed within the same movement.

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Post by ironmagma »

ABeeSea wrote: post #96
nostromo wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The opposite of a contradiction is another contradiction. Why are people that believe in regulation of the world's largest corporations suddenly laissez-faire libertarians? If you have opposed the Citizen's United ruling for a decade, don't suddenly act like you care about a corporation's civil liberties, including freedom of association and freedom of expression. The answer is obvious: both sides want power more tha…

I don’t see a contradiction here. The point of classical liberalism is well-regulated capitalism. Economic freedom combined with a rule of law to protect the citizenry. You can want to regulate Twitter and believe they have the freedom to kick whoever they want off their platform without a contradiction.

In other words, corporations should be able to do whatever they wish within the rules, but in order for that to happen, there should be rules.
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