Facebook Says It Is Removing All Content Mentioning 'Stop the Steal' • Hacker News Board

Re: Facebook Says It Is Removing All Content Mentioning 'Stop the Steal'

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Post by swiley » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 10:53 PM UTC

l9k wrote: post #32

trhway wrote: post #9

do they make it country specific - ie. would the posts questioning the integrity of elections in another country, say Russia (not that i personally question it, Vova, mind you, just a hypothetical), be allowed?

"Stop The Steal" is nowadays very specifically referring to the conspiracy theories surrounding the US November 2020 presidential election that was started by Trump supporters. Maybe in a few years (months if you're optimist), it will be forgotten (because of these kinds of measure?) and the phrase will be allowed again.

This kind of behavior by facebook is only going to radicalize people and make them extremely suspicious of anyone that disagrees with them.

Do you think someone prone to conspiracy theories is going to start listening to people who are actively campaigning for the destruction/deletion of information. We need consensus and half of consensus means listening.

Re: Facebook Says It Is Removing All Content Mentioning 'Stop the Steal'

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Post by kortilla » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 10:53 PM UTC

triceratops wrote: post #39

blisterpeanuts wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Should the media, or anyone, be referring to them as "terrorists"? Generally a terrorist uses extreme violence to "terrorize", hence the name. A crowd of morons busting into the Capitol building, calmly wandering the hallways, and taking selfies, scarcely meets the definition, even if some of the politicians felt terror. If only the 9/11 terrorists, and all terrorists, were this tame.

I felt terrorized. I'd wager a lot of other ordinary people did too.

There was a lot of pearl clutching about chaz and other BLM violence as well. So were they terrorists?

Re: Facebook Says It Is Removing All Content Mentioning 'Stop the Steal'

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Post by simonw » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 10:53 PM UTC

blisterpeanuts wrote: post #16

tomglynch wrote: post #3

Along with this, it seems to me media should not be referring to the terrorists entering the Capitol as 'storming' as that is the terminology used by the fringe groups of which they are proud of. I've read articles mentioning what these fringe groups call 'the storm' and I think distancing media reports from that is important.

Should the media, or anyone, be referring to them as "terrorists"? Generally a terrorist uses extreme violence to "terrorize", hence the name. A crowd of morons busting into the Capitol building, calmly wandering the hallways, and taking selfies, scarcely meets the definition, even if some of the politicians felt terror. If only the 9/11 terrorists, and all terrorists, were this tame.

"A crowd of morons busting into the Capitol building, calmly wandering the hallways, and taking selfies"

Your information is out-of-date. The images that came out on Wednesday gave the false impression that it was all morons in horned helmets taking selfies. The video footage that has come out since then shows that there were also extremely violent participants.

This video segment from MSNBC helped me understand quite how wrong my initial impressions from Wednesday had been: https://www.msnbc.com/all-in/watch/chris-99178053752

Re: Facebook Says It Is Removing All Content Mentioning 'Stop the Steal'

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Post by MaulingMonkey » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 10:54 PM UTC

blisterpeanuts wrote: post #16

tomglynch wrote: post #3

Along with this, it seems to me media should not be referring to the terrorists entering the Capitol as 'storming' as that is the terminology used by the fringe groups of which they are proud of. I've read articles mentioning what these fringe groups call 'the storm' and I think distancing media reports from that is important.

Should the media, or anyone, be referring to them as "terrorists"? Generally a terrorist uses extreme violence to "terrorize", hence the name. A crowd of morons busting into the Capitol building, calmly wandering the hallways, and taking selfies, scarcely meets the definition, even if some of the politicians felt terror. If only the 9/11 terrorists, and all terrorists, were this tame.

> calmly wandering the hallways

I strongly disagree with this characterization of a mob that was chanting "hang mike pence", erected a gallows, trampled a woman to death, and killed a cop.

Some of them were calm at times. Then again - so were the 9/11 terrorists, in the airport before they hijacked planes.

Re: Facebook Says It Is Removing All Content Mentioning 'Stop the Steal'

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Post by epistasis » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 10:54 PM UTC

rhegart wrote: post #21

Lmao, Russia election hoax for 4 years. Look through prominent Dem twitter accounts for stealing and hacked election. Example: https://twitter.com/SpeakerPelosi/status/864522009048494080 Trump is even worse than this but both parties are garbage, left way more hypocritical though

I'm glad to see this misinformation downvoted, but in these troubling times it's important to restate the facts.

There is ample and well documented evidence that there was strong Russian influence on our election in ad buys, concentrated highly to spread falsehoods and change the entire election's results. Anybody saying otherwise is trying to snow us. Calling this a "hoax" is telling us that there are five lights when there are four.

It's all right here in the executive summary of the report:

https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf

Re: Facebook Says It Is Removing All Content Mentioning 'Stop the Steal'

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Post by blisterpeanuts » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 10:56 PM UTC

nostromo wrote: post #36

blisterpeanuts wrote: post #26

Hm, I just posted "stop the steal" on my Facebook page (along with a disclaimer), and it's still there six minutes later. Maybe it takes 24 hours to get picked up? Or do they just cloak the posting?

In most cases you'd be shadow-banned. (The post looks fine to you, but is invisible to everyone else.) Or, they just put their thumbs on the scale and make sure your post isn't shown to anyone (or very few people) rather than your typical audience.

Okay. A non-friend was able to view it a few seconds ago, so it's definitely not totally invisible. But I only have about 600 friends (haha) so I guess they don't care about small fry.

If they have 1.73 billion daily users, that's a lot of data to scan. I'm guessing they'll only go after the big fish.

Re: Facebook Says It Is Removing All Content Mentioning 'Stop the Steal'

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Post by AnimalMuppet » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 10:56 PM UTC

the_cat_kittles wrote: post #42

im saying this because it seems like such an obvious point but i havent seen it here- why are people who want the government to be replaced by the "free market" allowed to be upset that private companies are silencing them? what is the rationale for squaring this circle

Even (most) free market conservatives don't believe in the free market when there are too few competitors. This is why you have utility commissions setting electricity rates rather than allowing the free market to do it.

We have too few competitors to Facebook for the market to work right.

Re: Facebook Says It Is Removing All Content Mentioning 'Stop the Steal'

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Post by epistasis » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 10:56 PM UTC

rhegart wrote: post #41

oezi wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"bad on both sides" is something you should remove from your line of thinking. There should be enough information out there for you to find differences that matter.

Incredibly naive way of thinking. Hypocrisy should always be pointed out. Ignoring it means you are clearly partisan

You did not point out any hypocrisy, and in fact are trying to spread partisan falsehoods. Which is in itself hypocritical.

Re: Facebook Says It Is Removing All Content Mentioning 'Stop the Steal'

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Post by dec0dedab0de » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 10:56 PM UTC

the_cat_kittles wrote: post #42

im saying this because it seems like such an obvious point but i havent seen it here- why are people who want the government to be replaced by the "free market" allowed to be upset that private companies are silencing them? what is the rationale for squaring this circle

People are allowed to be upset for any reason or no reason at all.

Actually wait, being upset is not something you need permission for.

Re: Facebook Says It Is Removing All Content Mentioning 'Stop the Steal'

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Post by anonymouse008 » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 10:57 PM UTC

the_cat_kittles wrote: post #42

im saying this because it seems like such an obvious point but i havent seen it here- why are people who want the government to be replaced by the "free market" allowed to be upset that private companies are silencing them? what is the rationale for squaring this circle

When the government created some protected classes that told private enterprise how to behave, people began implicitly believing that every person has a right to a protected status.