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Re: CD Projekt Red is under investigation

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Post by krzyk »

csours wrote: post #104
5etho wrote: post #12

well in Poland CDP is known for crunch... they have reaaly bad opinion. As a pole I wish them well about stock market. As a gamer I wish them the worst after lying about last gen

Good faith question: Is CDPR worse than other games studios, or do they just get more flak because they claimed they were not going to have crunch anymore? I ask because game dev has been famous for crunch for at least the last 15 years.

Generally in Poland Polish companies are the worst employers in terms of using up employees and paying pennies, and also some times hiring on contract which doesn't give employees enough protection (in terms of pension, protection from being fired without severance package etc.)

In the middle is government job (like, policeman, teacher, clerk at the government building) - you get poor pay, but you get normal employment (so, firing = severance package).

And the best of all (in most cases, there are exceptions) is a foreign company that does outsourcing - you get good pay + a normal employment contract.

Re: CD Projekt Red is under investigation

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Post by munk-a »

enahs-sf wrote: post #19
Pfhreak wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem isn't releasing a broken game. There's a huge challenge in making and releasing games and meeting a specific quality bar. That said, knowing you have a broken game and saying it's great is extremely avoidable and totally should stop. Tell me the game is a mess and let me play with it.

Having played Cyberpunk on a PS4 and then a PS5, It is nowhere near what you'd expect from a AAA title in terms of quality. Had to stop playing it because it's not worth it to ruin the experience. I can only imagine what the folks at Rockstar are thinking about this launch and what they can take away from it.

> It is nowhere near what you'd expect from a AAA title in terms of quality. Had to stop playing it because it's not worth it to ruin the experience.

Can you clarify a bit whether you were hitting game play bugs or visual issues?

On the PC side there are occasional visual glitches but the game play is relatively stable - I've had trouble with one quest line (the delamain one) and the enemy AI can get stuck sometimes - but it hasn't interrupted game play too badly.

Re: CD Projekt Red is under investigation

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Post by mdoms »

mancerayder wrote: post #103

Launching on those legacy consoles then was a mistake. As a PC player, I had no issues playing on a 3 year-old machine, it's about as buggy as the average huge RPG game (like Divinity OS, Skyrim, etc.). Then every week or two you get a patch. Baldur's Gate 3 did better PR by releasing an early release version first, so the impatient can jump on it. My personal feeling is there is so much effort put into this game, it…

> Then every week or two you get a patch.

Correct me if I'm wrong but other than the day-1 patch hasn't there been only a single (quite minor) patch for this game so far?

Re: CD Projekt Red is under investigation

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Post by munk-a »

mywittyname wrote: post #117
ojnabieoot wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IMO the real issue is less that it’s unfinished and more that the product at its best doesn’t seem to live up to its lofty expectations (disclaimer: have not played it and don’t intend to until it goes on sale, just watched others and read a good number of reviews). From what I understand it’s a fairly anodyne action-RPG, with routine quests, an underwhelming plot, and not too many interesting choices for character d…

I thoroughly enjoyed the plot and felt like Panam is up there on the list of top NPCs in gaming. Like, you genuinely feel like you're becoming friends throughout the missions. I also thought Johnny was a really well executed. He really made me feel like some asshole is taking over my brain, and you slowly develop a bit of empathy with him and you can feel that he's doing the same with you. Plus, the scene where you p…

> And every NCPD job was identical.

I actually disagree with this pretty solidly - I've seen absolutely trash side missions like Dragon's Age 2 where a handful of dungeon templates had slices taken off of them and were repackaged endlessly. The NCPD jobs (especially the Assault ones) are cheapo quests - but they're placed interestingly in the world with custom prop work and differing tactical options. Depending on your build it may be more or less of "Just rush in with a sword" but viewing them as the random world encounters they appear to be created as makes them rather high quality in my eyes.

It's optional content for completionists or for you to trip over when wandering around and for that role I think it was well done.

Re: CD Projekt Red is under investigation

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Post by haskellandchill »

bitcharmer wrote: post #109
haskellandchill wrote: post #86

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Well I've played it and is has routine quests, an underwhelming plot, and not too many interesting choices for character development. I was most disappointed that crafting is useless because I wanted to roleplay that skill tree. The game is so boring I've been playing Far Cry instead and Far Cry is trash. Coming from a Deus Ex background there is nothing there to Cyberpunk. However most people liked the game so what'…

> I was most disappointed that crafting is useless Crafting/engineering is one of the the most OP paths you can invest in. There's a great build posted some time ago on YT. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUMlmI685rc

I agree it is a viable combat path. I meant economically, it's a lousy way to make money. That's what my character was turning into a tech weapon build, but I wanted to get rich from making things.

Re: CD Projekt Red is under investigation

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Post by haskellandchill »

slfnflctd wrote: post #116
haskellandchill wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well I've played it and is has routine quests, an underwhelming plot, and not too many interesting choices for character development. I was most disappointed that crafting is useless because I wanted to roleplay that skill tree. The game is so boring I've been playing Far Cry instead and Far Cry is trash. Coming from a Deus Ex background there is nothing there to Cyberpunk. However most people liked the game so what'…

> Far Cry is trash Having recently played around with this series (3 and 5) for the first time in my life - since they were heavily discounted over the holidays - I have to say, for shooters they could be a lot worse. FC3 has clearly influenced other games that came out since. Production value is high, graphics are great, they run fine on 5+ year old computers and the stories are fun. I'm neither bored nor overly fru…

I should have said trashy, though it is also super buggy and with poor quests/dialogue/etc. It's definitely a guilty pleasure of mine and something about the light RPG elements pull me in to completing the challenges.

Re: CD Projekt Red is under investigation

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Post by [deleted] »

throwanem wrote: post #77
jjoonathan wrote: post #60

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> disclaimer: have not played it > routine quests, an underwhelming plot, and not too many interesting choices for character development Come on, man.

You left something out: > watched others and read a good number of reviews What's the point of reviews, if not to give people this kind of general sense of a game before they decide whether or not to buy it? Why else would AAA studios be so anxious to impose and enforce pre-release embargos, except to reduce the risk of the preorder hype and FOMO being in any way ameliorated by reality?

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Re: CD Projekt Red is under investigation

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Post by macspoofing »

chundicus wrote: post #3

I hope this will encourage big studios to stop releasing broken games, but I doubt it will. The incentives are just so broken due to ease of patching, a need/desire for cash after a drawn out dev process, and a general disrespect for their customers. I think releasing a "broken" game in the form of "early access" from smaller studios can be good in terms of iterative and community development, but also that can be ab…

Absolutely the big studios should stop releasing broken games.

From a consumer standpoint - just wait a little. Don't get AAA games at launch. If you wait a few months, you'll get a much more stable game. If you wait 1-2 years, you'll get the game with DLC for $20.

Re: CD Projekt Red is under investigation

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Post by jjoonathan »

throwanem wrote: post #77
jjoonathan wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> disclaimer: have not played it > routine quests, an underwhelming plot, and not too many interesting choices for character development Come on, man.

You left something out: > watched others and read a good number of reviews What's the point of reviews, if not to give people this kind of general sense of a game before they decide whether or not to buy it? Why else would AAA studios be so anxious to impose and enforce pre-release embargos, except to reduce the risk of the preorder hype and FOMO being in any way ameliorated by reality?

First-hand reviews play an important role in the ecosystem, yes.

When someone hasn't even played the game and comes out swinging, though, it comes across as a bit silly, especially if you've played the game and disagree with them.

Re: CD Projekt Red is under investigation

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Post by steinuil »

mdoms wrote: post #133
mancerayder wrote: post #103

Launching on those legacy consoles then was a mistake. As a PC player, I had no issues playing on a 3 year-old machine, it's about as buggy as the average huge RPG game (like Divinity OS, Skyrim, etc.). Then every week or two you get a patch. Baldur's Gate 3 did better PR by releasing an early release version first, so the impatient can jump on it. My personal feeling is there is so much effort put into this game, it…

> Then every week or two you get a patch. Correct me if I'm wrong but other than the day-1 patch hasn't there been only a single (quite minor) patch for this game so far?

At least on PC, there have been a few minor patches that fixed some of the most pressing issues like broken quest lines or the save file becoming corrupted if it surpassed 8mb (which apparently could happen very easily if you played a lot on the same save). The last was released 19 days ago.
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