Poland Justice Minister announces online freedom of speech bill

Post by inglor_cz » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 9:22 PM UTC

pavlov wrote: post #137

inglor_cz wrote: post #103

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"Freedom of speech is also freedom from compelled speech." Uh, aren't for example nutritional labels a form of compelled speech?

Yes, exactly. It's a very restricted and strictly formatted form of compelled speech on specific products. Like other limitations on free speech, it exists because lawmakers have judged the benefits to be greater than the downsides of limiting manufacturers' free speech. Now imagine a law that forces anyone with a website who ever had an unmoderated comment section to host and display those comments forever. That's t…

Post by hn_throwaway_99 » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 9:22 PM UTC

root_axis wrote: post #66

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #48

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Put another way: In the US at least, r/jailbait didn't actually break any laws (well, maybe some individual posts did, but the whole idea of that subreddit was essentially to ogle underage women/children but in a way that was not explicitly illegal). So with something like this law all social media sites would be forced to host the equivalent of r/jailbait.

Actually, r/jailbait was removed as a reaction to the FOSTA laws which explicitly carve out an exception to section 230 for content that could be considered related to sex trafficking, so in this sense it actually did create a new legal risk compared to other non-sex related subs.

Post by centimeter » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 9:24 PM UTC

kennywinker wrote: post #18

mabbo wrote: post #5

> Under its provisions, social media services will not be allowed to remove content or block accounts if the content on them does not break Polish law. This is kind of insane. So if I offer a free website- a private company operating as I like- I would be forbidden from removing content from my own website that I don't like because the person who wrote it- again, not a paying customer- wants it to be there. Not only…

Yup, under this law a post mentioning true facts about nazi collaboration in poland during ww2 would be illegal.

Post by isbvhodnvemrwvn » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 9:24 PM UTC

alacombe wrote: post #117

isbvhodnvemrwvn wrote: post #86

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This government has learned from that time, but looking at the state of TVP and these "tematy zastępcze" they seem rather fond of Goebbels' methods. Paint "the west" as the enemy to your "great traditions" and use the wedges like this law to distract people from creeping towards authoritarianism.

> ... creeping towards authoritarianism Because all the shit going on in the US isn't ?

Post by courtf » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 9:24 PM UTC

anonunivgrad wrote: post #72

bigfudge wrote: post #65

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Gay marriage has a popular majority in the UK and Ireland in both polls and referenda. Is it that different in the US? Interpreting old documents is hard, and where there is silence or substantial ambiguity it seems right to err on the side of popular opinion.

You can't really defend the US Supreme Court's actions on gay marriage from any legal viewpoint other than "because five justices said so" and "what are you gonna do about it." Popular opinion is not the talisman of judicial interpretation. If the public wants its way, they can vote for it. For what it's worth, the public did not support gay marriage until after the federal courts made it a fait accompli. E.g. In a r…