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My personal wishlist for a decentralized social network

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Re: My personal wishlist for a decentralized social network

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post #104

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> If trolls, jackasses, and idiots (by each users independent definition) get automatically segregated into groups where they see only each-others posts, and out-groups just never see their posts: problem solved. The events of Jan 6 show that leaves a rather huge problem unsolved.

The problem of Jan 6 being that a narcissistic buffoon got elected as president of the united states? I don't know if any amount of internet censorship can ever stop sects from forming. You have to realize that "drinking the kool aid" is an idiom that long predates the internet going mainstream [0]. You can try to push these people off of mainstream platforms, but what will that accomplish? Ultimately, someone will c…

I think what we had in the last 6 or so years was actually a lot worse than some "darknet chat platform", because honestly the equivalent of that in terms of usenet/forums has always existed.

What we had more recently was a kind of social media conveyor belt and sieve system that found, nudged and filtered people into a specific direction until there were enough deluded/lunatic/trolls/whatever you want to call them citizens from across the country willing to storm the capitol building.

Your darknet chat room just doesn't have that reach, potentially it has the reach to organise domestic terrorism in terms of bombings or something similar, but you'd never get a group of people so self assured in their bubble of reality that they'd willingly assault the capitol building.

Re: My personal wishlist for a decentralized social network

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Thinking a new social network platform is destined to fail because it's a copy of something, but without the impetus that produced the original.It's the "make something people want," but more "make something they use for X." You need the original purpose. It has to be to make something that isn't itself. Myspace was mainly novelty and music, Facebook was for status minting from ivy colleges, other ones are for an exo…

I feel like a piece is missing in the current Internet infrastructure although I have no idea what it is. Consider this, WhatsApp stories are not much different than personal blog but putting up stories takes few clicks while self hosting is whole new endeavor. Ideally everyone should own a blog/self host. This would solve the issues with centralization. The problem is hosting a blog and discovering it is still not a…

The real problem is that the data generated by the user is very valuable to the social network owner, there's no way to make money allowing a user to have a private self hosted federated infra unless you charge the user and then no one wants it since Facebook is free. If you really wanted to, you could easily build a federated easy to use distributed social network, but no one does because you don't make money on it and passion projects only go so far.

Re: My personal wishlist for a decentralized social network

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It's absolutely staggering to me that people believe everyone will self-host the decentralized social network, without thinking through the economics of the incentive layer, let alone how to achieve consensus/verification on compute and storage layers.

The first successful decentralized social network will be using the decentralized compute and storage systems being developed in the crypto space.

Re: My personal wishlist for a decentralized social network

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I honestly do not understand this fetish with decentralization, do you really want a social network filled with child pornography, violence and other shady stuff? Because that's what's gonna happen guaranteed. People are just animals without rules

> do you really want a social network filled with child pornography, violence and other shady stuff? You have just described the world wide web. I may not want that stuff to exist, but I also certainly don't want the world wide web to not exist.

I mean you can try to share child pornography through your ISP's network and we can see what happens? Shady stuff are mostly shared through decentralized networks and its the centralized www that's preventing them. To me this decentralization fetish feels like people think government are stupid and inefficient so we should have no government at all

Re: My personal wishlist for a decentralized social network

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I honestly do not understand this fetish with decentralization, do you really want a social network filled with child pornography, violence and other shady stuff? Because that's what's gonna happen guaranteed. People are just animals without rules

All of that terrible stuff exists on the decentralized internet, yet through a combination of selecting the right platforms and right client software, I never have to see it.

You don't want a centralized internet and trust someone else to control it for you. You want control over your connection to a decentralized internet.

Re: My personal wishlist for a decentralized social network

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post #38

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Ask Signal.

Signal is a messaging service not a social network

It is a messaging service, but it's also free, with a non-trivial server requirement, and with no monetization available for the service (neither ads nor subscription).

Re: My personal wishlist for a decentralized social network

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> Content moderation on a social network could work in a very similar way, with different groups of moderators creating different lists of banned users and deleted posts.

Serious vulnerability and potential for abuse and censorship. People could slip in the id for a user they want banned and anyone using that list would not easily realize they are prevented from seeing content from that user. Almost like reverse shadow banning.

Re: My personal wishlist for a decentralized social network

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I created https://2fb.me because I felt content was being confined by the constraints of the "network". There is no one network, or there shouldn't be as the author eludes, but an entirely new network will never reach the "network" effects it needs. Instead a protocol between the existing monoliths breaks through the confines and the content cannot be deleted all at once, as it will exist as a copy somewhere else. In short if the account goes down on Twitter then the existing tweet from that account will exist on Facebook unless it's deleted there too. IMO, this is how to to create a better social network where there isn't one authority, using what exists already.

Re: My personal wishlist for a decentralized social network

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Data independency.

Social media companies to compete on features not the network effects.

I feel like there needs to be a new internet standard.

We have emails, phones, texts, etc ...

Why can't we have a standard for social media and messaging which doesn't lock you in?

Imagine if I could only use one phone provider because all my other friends and family use that one provider.

Social media has been broken from the start.

Someone please fix it. It's bullsh!t.

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