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Poland Justice Minister announces online freedom of speech bill

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Re: Poland Justice Minister announces online freedom of speech bill

#51
Right wing, nationalist leader decides to create law that would prevent his posts getting removed by the platform owner for violating their ToS, unless actually illegal under national law..

Can't help but wonder what recent deletions he could possibly be thinking of..

Re: Poland Justice Minister announces online freedom of speech bill

#53
Freedom of speech is also freedom from compelled speech. This kind of law means the government can compel any private party to speak what they want and punish them for not doing so.

This is also demonstrably damaging to the effected party. It costs money to host content. Forcing a business to host content costs them - is poland going to fund this? No.

If the polish government has a problem with it then they should make their own government backed social media platform. Not violate people's rights.

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post #12

Regarding the majority party of the coalition which he is governing with. The party has caused what constitutional law scholar Wojciech Sadurski termed a "constitutional breakdown"[58] by packing the Constitutional Court with its supporters, undermining parliamentary procedure, and reducing the president's and prime minister's offices in favor of power being wielded extra-constitutionally by party leader Jarosław Kac…

You're only really a liberal democracy if the ruling elite can coerce private actors to take the repressive actions instead of doing it officially. You must also allow your civil service to be an unaccountable branch of government controlled by the professional managerial class and unresponsive to the commands of elected leadership (unless they're from the correct side). Furthermore, you must allow lawyers to use the judiciary to rewrite laws to suit their political preferences (e.g. your Constitution must be found to guarantee the right to gay marriage, an idea laughable to people who wrote it and to everyone until 15 years ago). Finally, you must protect all classes of people from unjust termination and unwarranted denial of service except for everyone whose political views align with the wrong half of the country. Thank God we live in a real liberal democracy.

Re: Poland Justice Minister announces online freedom of speech bill

#55
HN has turned into a complete authoritarian echo chamber because all dissenting opinions have been banned. After years of using this website, I'm disgusted by what it has turned into. Go ahead and ban me, I don't care anymore. I'm not coming back here again.

Re: Poland Justice Minister announces online freedom of speech bill

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post #5

> Under its provisions, social media services will not be allowed to remove content or block accounts if the content on them does not break Polish law. This is kind of insane. So if I offer a free website- a private company operating as I like- I would be forbidden from removing content from my own website that I don't like because the person who wrote it- again, not a paying customer- wants it to be there. Not only…

Yup, under this law a post mentioning true facts about nazi collaboration in poland during ww2 would be illegal.

Out of curiosity, which facts do you mean?

The law is stupid of course and an attempt to fight for their point of view(that is: xenophobic, racist and intolerant), but history is a subject rather widely discussed in Poland with all the sides being represented in media.

Re: Poland Justice Minister announces online freedom of speech bill

#57
post #22

Trolling and many other forms of online abuse may not be against any law but it is in the public interest to allow platforms to remove such content. This initiative may turn out to be the opposite of what it claims to stand for.

> it is in the public interest to allow platforms to remove such content This is not always true, and that is the issue. If the government is going to, for instance, tell us we can't gather on public property, there has to be some way to guarantee that a digital commons will remain.

Let Poland run news.polishcombinator.com where they decide to not moderate anything not against Polish law then

Are we going to have dang explain how any post he moderates violates Polish law? What about what he's moderating which isn't illegal in Poland?

Re: Poland Justice Minister announces online freedom of speech bill

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a distinction between website and the quoted "social media services".

Really? Define it then. Facebook is a website by all technical terms. Where is the hard defined line between social media services and a website? What is a website that hosts a forum? What is Discord? What if I run a WordPress website with the BuddyPress plugin? What about comments on my blog articles?

A while ago, I got a lot of flack here for suggesting that github wasn’t a social media website.

Re: Poland Justice Minister announces online freedom of speech bill

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post #3

Oh that’s stupid. Companies will end up with some creative solutions - if it can not be removed it can be made hard to access. Honestly it looks like stupid people in power are sad that their antiLGBT posts are removed.

I don't think you'd have easy time arguing in the court if you did something like that
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