An far right government being authoritarian, quelle surprise.
Poland Justice Minister announces online freedom of speech bill
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Re: Poland Justice Minister announces online freedom of speech bill
#22Trolling and many other forms of online abuse may not be against any law but it is in the public interest to allow platforms to remove such content. This initiative may turn out to be the opposite of what it claims to stand for.
> it is in the public interest to allow platforms to remove such content
This is not always true, and that is the issue. If the government is going to, for instance, tell us we can't gather on public property, there has to be some way to guarantee that a digital commons will remain.
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#23Legitimacy aside - purely from a political perspective - this is pretty smart.
Poland is at odds with the EU bureaucracy over a bunch of things, and 'Freedom of Expression' is definitely a populist issue a lot of people can feasibly rally behind.
Whatever the reality is, the optics are good.
It puts the EU in a position of having to 'defend censorship' (or at least detractors could say as much).
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#24As a country that has suffered the turmoil of both Nazism and Communism, it would be wise to heed their direction. They know the smell of tyranny all too well. The proverbial canary.
The same Justice Minister wants to take away the right to refuse a ticket from the police, so don't be so quick in your judgment.
What does that even mean, refusing a ticket?
If I refuse a ticket in NL, I will still get the fine-notice in the mail.
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#25> Under its provisions, social media services will not be allowed to remove content or block accounts if the content on them does not break Polish law. This is kind of insane. So if I offer a free website- a private company operating as I like- I would be forbidden from removing content from my own website that I don't like because the person who wrote it- again, not a paying customer- wants it to be there. Not only…
This is the true point of it. Anything they don't like is banned, anything they like is compelled.
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#26I'm betting on internet balkanization long term. Even in the West, people can't agree on what you can and can't say on social media.
Agreed. A twist on Conway's Law wherein communication mediums will come to mirror political fractures.
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#27This looks good at the surface, but given the current Polish government I would not be so sure that it is created with good intentions in mind. Let's wait for how it is applied before deciding if this is a good or a bad thing.
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#28> Under its provisions, social media services will not be allowed to remove content or block accounts if the content on them does not break Polish law. This is kind of insane. So if I offer a free website- a private company operating as I like- I would be forbidden from removing content from my own website that I don't like because the person who wrote it- again, not a paying customer- wants it to be there. Not only…
There is a distinction between website and the quoted "social media services".
There is not even a draft of this law available, so you can't be sure.
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#29> Under its provisions, social media services will not be allowed to remove content or block accounts if the content on them does not break Polish law. This is kind of insane. So if I offer a free website- a private company operating as I like- I would be forbidden from removing content from my own website that I don't like because the person who wrote it- again, not a paying customer- wants it to be there. Not only…
There is a distinction between website and the quoted "social media services".
Is HN a social media service?
Re: Poland Justice Minister announces online freedom of speech bill
#30If you are wondering where all of this is headed, read “Snow Crash” by Neal Stephenson.