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Poland Justice Minister announces online freedom of speech bill

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Re: Poland Justice Minister announces online freedom of speech bill

#11
"Under its provisions, social media services will not be allowed to remove content or block accounts if the content on them does not break Polish law."

Sooo hop on a topic specific group. Get my off-topic posts removed. Being off-topic is not a crime in Poland. Get my shitposts reinstated.

The bill better be more specific than the article is.

Re: Poland Justice Minister announces online freedom of speech bill

#12
Regarding the majority party of the coalition which he is governing with.

The party has caused what constitutional law scholar Wojciech Sadurski termed a "constitutional breakdown"[58] by packing the Constitutional Court with its supporters, undermining parliamentary procedure, and reducing the president's and prime minister's offices in favor of power being wielded extra-constitutionally by party leader Jarosław Kaczyński.[46] After eliminating constitutional checks, the government then moved to curtail the activities of NGOs and independent media, restrict freedom of speech and assembly, and reduce the qualifications required for civil service jobs in order to fill these positions with party loyalists.[46][59] The media law was changed to give the governing party control of the state media, which was turned into a partisan outlet, with dissenting journalists fired from their jobs.[46][60] Due to these political changes, Poland has been termed an "illiberal democracy",[61][62] "plebiscitarian authoritarianism",[63] or "velvet dictatorship with a façade of democracy".[64]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_and_Justice#In_majority_go...

Re: Poland Justice Minister announces online freedom of speech bill

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Oh that’s stupid. Companies will end up with some creative solutions - if it can not be removed it can be made hard to access. Honestly it looks like stupid people in power are sad that their antiLGBT posts are removed.

Companies will end up with some creative solutions - if it can not be removed it can be made hard to access.

Courts usually don't like to be jerked around like that. Sure, there are always loopholes, and it's difficult to tell whether authors will have the tenacity to keep patching the law but Ziobro's party (very surprisingly, I mean even their supporters barely believed this) managed to really clamp down on various VAT evasion schemes.

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> Under its provisions, social media services will not be allowed to remove content or block accounts if the content on them does not break Polish law. This is kind of insane. So if I offer a free website- a private company operating as I like- I would be forbidden from removing content from my own website that I don't like because the person who wrote it- again, not a paying customer- wants it to be there. Not only…

There is a distinction between website and the quoted "social media services".

Really? Define it then.

Facebook is a website by all technical terms.

Where is the hard defined line between social media services and a website?

What is a website that hosts a forum?

What is Discord?

What if I run a WordPress website with the BuddyPress plugin?

What about comments on my blog articles?

Re: Poland Justice Minister announces online freedom of speech bill

#16

As a country that has suffered the turmoil of both Nazism and Communism, it would be wise to heed their direction. They know the smell of tyranny all too well. The proverbial canary.

The same Justice Minister wants to take away the right to refuse a ticket from the police, so don't be so quick in your judgment.

Re: Poland Justice Minister announces online freedom of speech bill

#17

Trolling and many other forms of online abuse may not be against any law but it is in the public interest to allow platforms to remove such content. This initiative may turn out to be the opposite of what it claims to stand for.

What its claiming to stand for and what its intended use are not mutually exclusive.

Re: Poland Justice Minister announces online freedom of speech bill

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post #5

> Under its provisions, social media services will not be allowed to remove content or block accounts if the content on them does not break Polish law. This is kind of insane. So if I offer a free website- a private company operating as I like- I would be forbidden from removing content from my own website that I don't like because the person who wrote it- again, not a paying customer- wants it to be there. Not only…

Yup, under this law a post mentioning true facts about nazi collaboration in poland during ww2 would be illegal.

Re: Poland Justice Minister announces online freedom of speech bill

#19

As a country that has suffered the turmoil of both Nazism and Communism, it would be wise to heed their direction. They know the smell of tyranny all too well. The proverbial canary.

This government is heading into a tyranny. And most of voters are happy with it, sadly.

Re: Poland Justice Minister announces online freedom of speech bill

#20

Trolling and many other forms of online abuse may not be against any law but it is in the public interest to allow platforms to remove such content. This initiative may turn out to be the opposite of what it claims to stand for.

the ruling party has very much in common with the GOP, so much so that the default assumption should be that the opposite is the intent.
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