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My personal wishlist for a decentralized social network

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Re: My personal wishlist for a decentralized social network

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imesh wrote: post #127
user-the-name wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So what is it you're wanting to have a "conversation" about? Whether black people should be allowed to live? Gay people? Trans people? Who is it you still need to have a conversation about whether they are allowed to have human rights?

Have a conversation that's more reasonable. Instead of "Do black people deserve to live" which we all agree with, we can have talks of, "What are the reasons for poverty and violence in the black community." And maybe not calling everyone with a non-woke perspective a racist or an uncle Tom.

Do we all agree with that now?

Are you entirely sure about that.

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Post by random_dork1 »

hungryhobo wrote: post #134

I honestly do not understand this fetish with decentralization, do you really want a social network filled with child pornography, violence and other shady stuff? Because that's what's gonna happen guaranteed. People are just animals without rules

Decentralisation is best exemplified by email or http. Yes, they enable all kind of things, including bad ones. They behave like infrastructure, just like roads. I enjoy Mastodon because I can find the instance I like best and still be in touch with people from other instances. My instance blocks other instances that they don't like and publicly explains why. When I won't like it any more, I will take my data and move somewhere else without looks my contacts or anything. Once Nextcloud will have a decent implementation of Activity Pub, I will start my own instance just for myself and I will only see content that I want to see.

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Post by at-fates-hands »

notJim wrote: post #60
grahamburger wrote: post #32

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IMO this is why federation is an important aspect of decentralized networks, and is commonly listed as a reason for use Mastodon / the fediverse. Each instance can set their own moderation policies and decide what other instances they want to federate with. Notably mastodon.social and the instances related to it haven't become cess pools of hate speech, because they do have strong moderation policies, but for users w…

Any idea why Parler took off rather than a right-wing instance of Mastodon? Is it about framing?

Timing.

It was right around the time congressional hearings were taking place about Twitter and FB suppressing conservative voices. A lot of conservative talk show hosts were talking about how they had moved to the platform and urging their listeners to do the same if they thought what Twitter and FB were doing was wrong.

When you have heavy weight talk show hosts pimping your product without paying them and they're touting your platform as one that doesn't censor speech, you're going to have a huge increase in followers.

Re: My personal wishlist for a decentralized social network

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Post by rohan1024 »

didibus wrote: post #129
rohan1024 wrote: post #70

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I feel like a piece is missing in the current Internet infrastructure although I have no idea what it is. Consider this, WhatsApp stories are not much different than personal blog but putting up stories takes few clicks while self hosting is whole new endeavor. Ideally everyone should own a blog/self host. This would solve the issues with centralization. The problem is hosting a blog and discovering it is still not a…

I don't think the missing bit is the "ease" of self-hosting a blog. The missing piece is that social networks are not about publishing your thoughts ideas or knowledge, they are about propagating your thoughts ideas and knowledge to others. The emphasis of a social network is on "propagation" aka, propaganda. Social networks push opinions into people's face, it promotes, markets and advertises messages in ways that p…

> they are about propagating your thoughts ideas and knowledge to others. The emphasis of a social network is on "propagation" aka, propaganda.

That is the issue with centralization: you have no control over your feed, no control over your data, no control over discussion on your content.

On the other hand blogs/websites are all federated by design. You can control who views your content, shares your content. You control discussion on your website. You are also responsible for your content and moderation. You can also curate your own feed with RSS.

Re: My personal wishlist for a decentralized social network

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Post by multjoy »

notJim wrote: post #60
grahamburger wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IMO this is why federation is an important aspect of decentralized networks, and is commonly listed as a reason for use Mastodon / the fediverse. Each instance can set their own moderation policies and decide what other instances they want to federate with. Notably mastodon.social and the instances related to it haven't become cess pools of hate speech, because they do have strong moderation policies, but for users w…

Any idea why Parler took off rather than a right-wing instance of Mastodon? Is it about framing?

Because Parler was basically a Twitter clone. These are not ‘first adopters’ by any stretch.

Re: My personal wishlist for a decentralized social network

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Post by rayvd »

motohagiography wrote: post #55

Thinking a new social network platform is destined to fail because it's a copy of something, but without the impetus that produced the original.It's the "make something people want," but more "make something they use for X." You need the original purpose. It has to be to make something that isn't itself. Myspace was mainly novelty and music, Facebook was for status minting from ivy colleges, other ones are for an exo…

Tell that to MySpace, Friendster, etc. There is room for prove product disruption if the iteration adds significant value, or if the quality of service of the current leader drops off.

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Post by CivBase »

hungryhobo wrote: post #134

I honestly do not understand this fetish with decentralization, do you really want a social network filled with child pornography, violence and other shady stuff? Because that's what's gonna happen guaranteed. People are just animals without rules

> do you really want a social network filled with child pornography, violence and other shady stuff?

You have just described the world wide web. I may not want that stuff to exist, but I also certainly don't want the world wide web to not exist.

Re: My personal wishlist for a decentralized social network

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Post by multjoy »

imesh wrote: post #127
user-the-name wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So what is it you're wanting to have a "conversation" about? Whether black people should be allowed to live? Gay people? Trans people? Who is it you still need to have a conversation about whether they are allowed to have human rights?

Have a conversation that's more reasonable. Instead of "Do black people deserve to live" which we all agree with, we can have talks of, "What are the reasons for poverty and violence in the black community." And maybe not calling everyone with a non-woke perspective a racist or an uncle Tom.

> which we all agree with

We might, but the users of Parler et al quite specifically do not.

You’re being deliberately disingenuous. The racism on display in any unmoderated space is foul and horrendous.

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