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Re: Tell HN: Aaron Swartz died today, 8 years ago

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Post by sudosysgen » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 7:49 PM UTC

amanaplanacanal wrote: post #130

sudosysgen wrote: post #122

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While this is true, on the internet at least I haven't seen leftists sites like revleft or crimethinc get denied access to hosters, yet. But yes, you're right that the left is the source of private censorship for a long time, which is why lemmy is developped by a lot of leftists, for example. If they're ready to ban a right wing president though, I can imagine how severe the crackdown on the left would be.

Honestly, if leftists start calling for violent Revolution because they lose an election, I’m not going to be too upset if they get deplatformed too. Perhaps I’m just too comfortable with my life, but I suspect most other people would agree.

Leftists spaces online got censored because they said things as benign as "killing slave owners is morally justifiable when necessary", so I think they still have a point.

Re: Tell HN: Aaron Swartz died today, 8 years ago

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Post by joshuahaglund » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 8:02 PM UTC

Reedx wrote: post #99

cbozeman wrote: post #58

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I've often spoken with my more left-leaning friends about the need to try and find middle ground with my more right-leaning friends, and quickly. Donald Trump was an incompetent, by almost any measure you want to use. However, he shifted the Overton Window dramatically. When the Republican version of Barack Obama bursts onto the scene - someone eloquent, competent, and thoroughly able to move effectively in the polit…

If a sitting President can be deplatformed from the Internet, then wouldn't a Presidential Candidate be? Would said candidate be able to run a successful campaign without it?

If they incite violence yeah. Is that confusing?

Re: Tell HN: Aaron Swartz died today, 8 years ago

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Post by rozab » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 8:05 PM UTC

sillysaurusx wrote: post #118

rozab wrote: post #100

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Placebo controlled trials show that Prozac increases suicidal thoughts. https://www.bmj.com/content/352/bmj.i65 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3353604/ https://www.health.harvard.edu/newsletter_article/Antidepres... Eli Lilly notoriously buried the evidence of this from their own trials.

Interesting. I wasn’t aware of this. Perhaps I got lucky, but the effect was immediate and life changing. I’ve never quite experienced anything like it, so I try to at least mention it. Not really sure how to proceed knowing it can make the situation worse for some people though. Perhaps I’ll cite your comment in the future; thanks.

This is the issue with placebo controlled trials: the placebo effect is actually pretty damn useful. I don't mean to invalidate your experiences, and I don't doubt that without a placebo group the positive effect would be significant.

It's a sticky situation for sure. Maybe it's unethical to tell people this, knowing it will worsen their clinical outcomes? I think HN can handle it, but I probably wouldn't tell this to somebody irl who is struggling with mental health issues and considering antidepressants.

Re: Tell HN: Aaron Swartz died today, 8 years ago

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 8:06 PM UTC

Reedx wrote: post #145

webXL wrote: post #103

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> someone eloquent, competent, and thoroughly able to move effectively in the political sphere How will they be able to deplatform that? Are you endorsing deplatforming anyone to the right of Joe Biden?

No, just extrapolating from here. It could be used against the next Bernie too. Any populist candidate, whether from the left or right.

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Re: Tell HN: Aaron Swartz died today, 8 years ago

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Post by jason_slack » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 8:07 PM UTC

Aaron's writing were often thought provoking for me. I often feel I should do more advocacy for the most important causes in this world.

Re: Tell HN: Aaron Swartz died today, 8 years ago

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Post by cbozeman » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 8:07 PM UTC

shrimp_emoji wrote: post #120

Dumblydorr wrote: post #63

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I'm bullish on Democrats due to demographic shifts, but they'll need to gain more senators from rural states if they want to pass major legislation. GOP has to somehow consolidate Trumpists with Never Trumpers, may be tricky to do. How will independents respond to GOP after Trump is finished? Will they forgive and forget? So, in my view, both parties need to adapt or they will not achieve that much. Imagine if Dems h…

Or remove the electoral college (which is an anti-democratic contrivance originally meant to cajole then-slave states into remaining in the Union[0]) and make voting mandatory to completely nuke the GOP's strategy of voter disempowerment (which is their best hope as demographic shifts increasingly favor the Democrats). 0: https://time.com/4558510/electoral-college-history-slavery/

That's a single legal scholar's interpretation, not even a historian's.

Re: Tell HN: Aaron Swartz died today, 8 years ago

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Post by Reedx » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 8:19 PM UTC

joshuahaglund wrote: post #152

Reedx wrote: post #99

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If a sitting President can be deplatformed from the Internet, then wouldn't a Presidential Candidate be? Would said candidate be able to run a successful campaign without it?

If they incite violence yeah. Is that confusing?

Check back when Bernie (or the next Bernie, if he doesn't run again) is deplatformed, and we'll see who was confused.

Just remember back to how the media and establishment pulled together to stop Bernie during the primaries. Think this new tool won't be used the next time they're in danger of losing power to an outsider?

Re: Tell HN: Aaron Swartz died today, 8 years ago

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Post by WarOnPrivacy » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 8:59 PM UTC

tzs wrote: post #148

maccard wrote: post #25

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From wikipedia: > On September 12, 2012, federal prosecutors filed a superseding indictment adding nine more felony counts, which increased Swartz's maximum criminal exposure to 50 years of imprisonment and $1 million in fines. During plea negotiations with Swartz's attorneys, the prosecutors offered to recommend a sentence of six months in a low-security prison, if Swartz would plead guilty to 13 federal crimes. Swa…

When you see a DoJ press release talking about someone potentially facing a very long sentence, they don't mean that the particular person being indicted is facing such a sentence. They mean that if you take the maximum possible sentence that someone could get for each individual charge, and then added up all those individual maximums, you get their press release figure. There are two big problems with that. 1. Vario…

> When you see a DoJ press release talking about someone potentially facing a very long sentence, they don't mean that the particular person being indicted is facing such a sentence.

Short ver: DoJ: either make our prosecutorial life easy or we're going to harm you way beyond what is ethical.

Long ver: DoJ: You did A. Lobbyists have composed and purchased laws against A. Those lobbyists are pressuring their legislators to have us deploy high-profile Gov revenge on their behalf.

We want to charge you with B and have you accept that w/o resistance. To that end we are charging you with B,C,D,E,J,K,L,Q,R,S,T,V,Y and some Dr. Seuss letters we came across.

Re: Tell HN: Aaron Swartz died today, 8 years ago

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Post by joshuahaglund » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 9:00 PM UTC

Reedx wrote: post #157

joshuahaglund wrote: post #152

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If they incite violence yeah. Is that confusing?

Check back when Bernie (or the next Bernie, if he doesn't run again) is deplatformed, and we'll see who was confused. Just remember back to how the media and establishment pulled together to stop Bernie during the primaries. Think this new tool won't be used the next time they're in danger of losing power to an outsider?

If "the next Bernie" promotes violence then he's not the next Bernie and I won't support him and I don't understand what's so hard to understand about that.

Y'all think "it's both sides" but, in America, this call to violence (straight up armed insurrection) is unique in right wing politics. And if it showed up in the Left I wouldn't tolerate it.

Show me someone on the right who was deplatformed who didn't preach hate.

Re: Tell HN: Aaron Swartz died today, 8 years ago

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Post by hctaw » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 9:04 PM UTC

Reedx wrote: post #157

joshuahaglund wrote: post #152

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If they incite violence yeah. Is that confusing?

Check back when Bernie (or the next Bernie, if he doesn't run again) is deplatformed, and we'll see who was confused. Just remember back to how the media and establishment pulled together to stop Bernie during the primaries. Think this new tool won't be used the next time they're in danger of losing power to an outsider?

Please stop with the false equivalencies.

Donald Trump directed a mob to storm the Capitol while they were certifying election results, the ensuing riot led to at least five deaths.

He is being deplatformed because of the impending threat of violence he presents. This isn't a hypothetical situation - he held a rally, incited a riot, and people died.