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Re: We need more than deplatforming

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Post by posix_me_less » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 6:42 PM UTC

lazyjones wrote: post #60

This just shows how terribly wrong it was to let a very small number of browser developers steadily increase the complexity of browser standards and lock out all independent competition. It's more urgent now than ever before to throw away all this baggage and start a WWW2 without these politicized entities and with lean clients maintainable by small groups of people. If you disagree, please consider being in the same…

Yes. But there was so much money to be made and so much control of society to be gained, it was hard to prevent this.

> It's more urgent now than ever before to throw away all this baggage and start a WWW2 without these politicized entities and with lean clients maintainable by small groups of people.

Yes that would be great. But if we want libertarian world-wide network with services and rules that cannot be attacked by the establishment, it has to be either small and uninteresting to them, or it has to completely infeasible for them to attack it. Some new ideas are needed, because free software and open standards are apparently not enough to keep liberty alive on the internet.

Re: We need more than deplatforming

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Post by posix_me_less » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 6:49 PM UTC

undersuit wrote: post #71

stale2002 wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes it is! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship "Censorship is the suppression of speech, public communication, or other information, on the basis that such material is considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, or "inconvenient." Censorship can be conducted by governments, private institutions, and other controlling bodies." Anything that "suppresses" or controls speech is censorship, no matter who does it. T…

He's still able to speak. If this is censorship then I should be able to force any publisher to produce my ramblings and drawings.

Competent censorship does not cut the tongue. It limits and controls the communication. Twitter service is close to a public utility at this point, capability of any one ideological group to control it should be limited.

Re: We need more than deplatforming

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Post by posix_me_less » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 6:59 PM UTC

anonytrary wrote: post #23

Yes, social media is responsible for radicalizing a small group of alt-right folks, but I don't think de-platforming Trump really fixes the problem, and it acts a local minimum that detracts from solving the actual problem. De-platforming the alleged figurehead is just going to make the problem worse. Big tech is playing a really risky game, and I'm not alone in that opinion. It is a popular opinion that Trump "incit…

You are most probably right, there are some naive believers here and there in those companies, but for the most part C suite cares about being aligned with the establishment to keep their revenue streams and their control intact. Trump is just a useful tool for them at this point - "see we are your ally/servant, we fight the Trump movement".