Live data from Hacker News

Untitled topic

news.ycombinator.com

21–30 of 143 posts

Re: undefined

#21

I’m unreservedly no. However I have sympathy for those that made this decision: The federal government is under control of one party now - they know that Clipper Chip 2.0 is a possibility.

It's great how collectively nobody has any clue how to balance freedom and security at scale

Re: undefined

#22
I am no Trump supporter or conservative - I find it ridiculous that I feel the need to preface that - but I can’t be the only one that is surprised at how willing people are to accept Big Tech becoming the arbiter of truth and acceptable political viewpoints.

From the calls to violence on Facebook, to the terrorists on Twitter, to the hardcore pornography on Reddit, plenty of platforms break Apple’s, Google’s, or Amazon’s ToS. I don’t know how one could possibly argue that Parler isn’t being singled out.

Today it’s Parler. Tomorrow it will be whatever ideology the megacorps find inconvenient.

If anything, this whole saga underscores the need for decentralized social media and having control over our own devices and the apps we are allowed to install.

I’m genuinely surprised. HN is the last place that I’d expect to be comfortable with our snowball into a corporate dystopia.

Re: undefined

#25
Yes - Apple/Google should be able to cut off Parler from their own stores.

BUT.

Parler should still be available via 3rd party stores if the user so chooses (which isn't possible). Here we have a case of big tech acting against the will of the user "for their own good" which I fundamentally disagree with. I own the device. I should have the right to install anything I want on it, even if the company that makes the device deemed the thing I want bad for me or for society.

Amazon should not be able to kick services off of AWS they don't agree with. That's entering cloudflare/daily stormer territory and is a dangerous precedent. I prefer the "infrastructure" layers of the stack to be net neutral.

Re: undefined

#26

I have no particular comment about Parler specifically, but in the general case: Suppose you're a single-person startup of an app called "Speak!". Speak! is pretty niche, but one day, a group of the X-People are ostracized on all the popular forums: Reddit, Twitter, Facebook, etc. Because Speak! is the only remaining bastion for the X-People all of them flock to Speak!. Let's say the X-People say things that aren't e…

This isn't "things that aren't exactly popular". This is organizing an insurrection against the government and advocating for violence against groups and individuals.

I understand, but that doesn't really have to do with the point I'm trying to make. Even if you use "organizing an insurrection against the government" as your baseline - is a single post on Facebook/Twitter enough to justify banning? Obviously not - the question is what metrics are acceptable given a certain level of capability by the forum/company.

Only so much moderation is possible given a certain amount of moderators and company resources. Are these rules inherently biased against smaller companies?

Re: undefined

#28
I find the particularly libertarian mindset of the hackernews audience really fascinating here. If a group of neo nazis were organizing an attack on people in a hotel room, wouldn’t the hotel be allowed to kick them out? Or the same situation with a landlord and their tenants?

People keep bringing up ideology. This isn’t really about ideology, this is about violence. Parler was being used to organize violence.

Re: undefined

#29
post #16

unreservedly no. This is ridiculous. These people won't be happy until all sites are democrat sites saying the same thing.

We should just allow white people to say the N-word so everyone can be happy again

Re: undefined

#30

I have no particular comment about Parler specifically, but in the general case: Suppose you're a single-person startup of an app called "Speak!". Speak! is pretty niche, but one day, a group of the X-People are ostracized on all the popular forums: Reddit, Twitter, Facebook, etc. Because Speak! is the only remaining bastion for the X-People all of them flock to Speak!. Let's say the X-People say things that aren't e…

Parler got deplatformed more for a refusal to moderate than an inability to moderate.

They explicitly chose to retain the content

Post reply on HN