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Parler drops offline after Amazon pulls support

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Re: Parler drops offline after Amazon pulls support

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Post by Jochim »

frogpelt wrote: post #317
explorigin wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was also curious about Parler but, when going to sign up, it asked for my phone number. Ummmm, no thank you. That kind of association is like going to a protest with your cellphone. Pretty easy to get the wrong kind of association attached to you.

Does your choice of words cause you to pause and think about where we are as a society? The "wrong kind of association" for creating a social media account?

Should it? Society has always judged or kept an eye on people based on who they choose to associate with. If you were active on VK or WeChat I'm sure the government would have a few questions to ask you if you applied for a position requiring clearance.

Beyond that, if a platform is known for encouraging behaviour that you and your peers disapprove of. It might make sense for you to avoid registering there in case your peers get the wrong impression of you should the information leak. While not exactly social media, you only need to look at the fallout from Ashley Madison for why you might not want to sign up somewhere because of "the wrong kind of association".

Why social media would be the only forum exempt from this line of thinking I can't imagine.

Re: Parler drops offline after Amazon pulls support

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Post by 6sup6 »

_nickwhite wrote: post #330

Something interesting here is that not only the Parler app was pulled... the _entire_ parlor.com domain and website registration is non-existent at the moment. It's like a black hole: >dig @1.1.1.1 parler.com +short

Can you offer some hypothesis that explain what happened?

Re: Parler drops offline after Amazon pulls support

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Post by chr1 »

vb6sp6 wrote: post #239
chr1 wrote: post #58

Left wing democrats and Trump supporters want to eliminate each other, in a sense of eliminating their defining idea. Sadly in their war they are weaponizing the shared infrastructure, harming themselves and the people not interested in their war. (e.g. triggering the new wave of internet regulation in other countries, delaying a flight because there is someone with red hat etc.) The economy and civility that allow b…

AWS will be fine. Anyone not using these hosts to promote terrorism will be fine.

> Anyone not using these hosts to promote terrorism

The power always changes hands, and people who were passing laws calling random things "terrorism" end up on the other side of their laws. I guess for now you can have fun watching how Patriot Act championed buy republicans gets used against themselves. Sadly with full control over all branches, democrats will continue eroding freedoms and laws restraining the government, which eventually will be used against them too.

Re: Parler drops offline after Amazon pulls support

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Post by bArray »

brentm wrote: post #255
bArray wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Parler wasn't some innocent social media site that happened > to have some disgusting content on it. You can't state that as fact. The platform itself was not inherently about spreading objectionable material. It was about being more free than Twitter. > And I have yet to hear anyone discuss how "anything goes" > and social media do not mix. As with all free speech, it had legal limits, such as threats of violence.…

I saw multiple posts & comments at the end of December with people literally calling for the murder of members of Congress on Jan 6th. I reported them when I noticed. I checked back after the Capitol Riots and the posts were still there. If they had any moderation it was not at all effective even for the most obviously unacceptable content.

> I reported them when I noticed. I checked back after the

> Capitol Riots and the posts were still there. If they had

> any moderation it was not at all effective even for the

> most obviously unacceptable content.

That's clearly a failing of the moderation system. I imagine they were very overwhelmed that day, as all social media platforms probably were (including Twitter and Facebook from what I saw).

One problem Parler specifically are up against is that they were already unofficially blacklisted in multiple places that would allow them to raise the funding to hire moderators, due to cancel culture and the fear of it. They already couldn't get advertising, investments, etc. Now the situation is even worse, and when it reappears, it will likely have even less resources for content moderation.

The only way out for them will be to distribute the problem of content moderation as some other platforms have apparently done (I am told Minds do this). Of course you have to rely on randomly selecting a fair jury in order for it to work - something that won't happen now.

Re: Parler drops offline after Amazon pulls support

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Post by rayiner »

JPKab wrote: post #174
kiawe_fire wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At some point this becomes about what is right for society versus what you can legally get away with and what you feel like doing because you can. Is this, legally, a free speech issue on its own? No, and I support Amazon’s right to “nope” out of anything they want. But in the current context of the rush to also prevent open Trump support in other areas like payment processing, and the way the media is hellbent on tr…

The worst part about the giddy, gleeful way in which they are shutting down these echo chamber apps is the complete lack of thought as to how this impacts and further radicalizes the users. I have a brother who is into Qanon and Alex Jones. All of this just feeds into and cements the narrative, and pushes him into alternative platforms where he is even less likely to hear or see more mainstream view points. It litera…

It's not just the Qanon/Alex Jones folks. It pushes center-right people to hold ranks.

Re: Parler drops offline after Amazon pulls support

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Post by shrimpx »

swiperNoSwiping wrote: post #283

feels like the US people is asking for ruler like CCP, is it all what you want? Parler is likely not innocent, but why it's Amazon to take them down? Is that mean all these big companies can shutdown any customers on their platforms for some reasons they believed are right, but what if they use it to shutdown competitions?

Parlor is NOT Amazon competition.

Re: Parler drops offline after Amazon pulls support

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Post by vb6sp6 »

dukeofdoom wrote: post #292
vb6sp6 wrote: post #222

Earlier quoted context omitted.

if you don't want to be treated like a terrorist, you probably shouldn't fly to the nations capitol and storm congress.

Your hubris prevents them from seeing how abuses of power and petty acts of tyranny can backfire.

"if you don't want your website shutdown for terrorism, you should probably moderate your site for terrorism" seems like a pretty clear and concise terms of use.

Re: Parler drops offline after Amazon pulls support

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Post by shrimpx »

6sup6 wrote: post #362
_nickwhite wrote: post #330

Something interesting here is that not only the Parler app was pulled... the _entire_ parlor.com domain and website registration is non-existent at the moment. It's like a black hole: >dig @1.1.1.1 parler.com +short

Can you offer some hypothesis that explain what happened?

They were likely running everything on aws including dns.

Re: Parler drops offline after Amazon pulls support

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Post by MartinCron »

cbozeman wrote: post #326
chasing wrote: post #41

Parler wasn't some innocent social media site that happened to have some disgusting content on it. The disgusting content was literally its reason for existing, despite all of the bland "we're just a free speech site" stuff. And I have yet to hear anyone discuss how "anything goes" and social media do not mix. It's much easier to turn a community toxic than it is to keep it healthy, and healthy communities (of any so…

I really struggle with this. Most websites have block or mute buttons. So why is it we can't just use those? You see something you don't like, don't click on it. You see someone you don't like, just block or mute them. Almost every platform lets you choose the level, of lack thereof, of discourse you want to have with people with whom you disagree.

You can't really "mute" a murderous mob that shows up at the capitol. This isn't about seeing stuff you don't like, this is about a platform being used to directly incite political violence.
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