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Giant corporations and the media, who used to encourage BLM and Antifa riots, are now openly using their power to humiliate and destroy their business competitors and political opposition. But who cares. Let's see what's new in Netflix.

The black cause is on a completely different moral plane than angry white people trying to keep trump in power.

To cut off service to someone is not destroying a business “competitor.” The fact that they were depending on your service indicates a type of cooperation not competition.

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I remember very well as a middle eastern how ISIS was freely allowed to use Twitter, Facebook and Youtube for recruitment and propaganda in 2015 and none of those platforms did anything about it. Also just today this story was on the front page in HN: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/06/technology/myanmar-facebo... So spare us all the "No hate and violence on our platform" BS. Either you go after all hate and violence…

Whataboutism! Whataboutism! The fact that a platform didn’t do the right thing before, doesn’t mean it can’t do it now. What, you came out of the womb with perfect understanding of right from wrong?

I don't think Twitter had any difficulty discerning right from wrong when it came to ISIS, even back in 2016.

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Could a Muslim owned cloud service drop a gay customer, say an app like Grindr? I recall a case about a baker and a gay couple or something.

Is this a civil matter or criminal?

I grew up in a different era seriously none of this makes sense. Which groups are legally allowed to cancel the others? Where is that set forth in law?

Thanks.

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I think what I've learned this week is that there's an economic failure mode that has societal harm. It goes something like this:

1. Some people want to share toxic harmful material with the world. Sharing that has real material hosting and serving costs that those individuals would rather not pay.

2. Platform hosts like AWS, Twitter, Facebook, etc. will host material for people. They pay for that by also showing users ads and the advertisers fund the company.

3. Advertisers don't want their brand associated with toxic content. But when a platform host has a sufficient diversity of good and bad content, the brand association is with the platform itself, which is neutral, and not the content it is shown next to, which may be toxic.

The end result is that advertisers end up inadvertently funding the dissemination of toxic content. Extremists are essentially free riding, sort of like riding on the back of one of those rolling billboard cars and tossing out pamphlets.

This happens because the host is essentially image laundering the toxic content. When a host isn't diverse enough to accomplish this, you can see that advertisers won't touch it. That's why Parler is toast. Advertisers do not want to be funding this stuff but the hosts they use are too much of a black box to give them much control.

So why do hosts end up accepting this toxic content? Is the relationship between host and toxic content authors parasitic or symbiotic? Cynics believe the hosts deliberately allow this because toxic content drives engagement and increases advertising revenue. A charitable perspective is that hosts would rather not be free riders for toxic content, but the problem is that separating the wolves and the sheep is too difficult (where "difficult" involves some combination of social, technological, and financial costs).

What I haven't seen is anyone suggest that it is an emergent property of financial incentives. The primary way these hosts compete in the marketplace is through network effects and economy of scale. Social media host success is dominated by network effects. Advertisers go where the eyeballs are, and people go where the other people are. I don't think there is any natural stable equilibrium that leads to a large number of small thriving social media companies.

Economies of scale exacerbate that. Users don't like viewing ads so the less ads a host shows, the more popular it becomes. This puts heavy competitive pressure on them to minimize costs which relies on all of the economies of scale that software and tech offers.

The end result, I think is a consolidation onto a few hosts which in turn host so much of everything that they end up with a neutral brand that advertisers can use even though there is a mixture of toxic content in there. I don't think anyone intended this to happen.

But the good news is that if we do create regulation to break up tech monopolies and push against the natural forces of network effects and economies of scale, we may also see a natural decline of toxic content free riders. Because as these hosts get smaller, they're less able to be used as image launderers.

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Parler had the option to police their users but put an unqualified volunteer moderation team in charge. As you can imagine this leads to suboptimal results where the most egregious content isn't removed. I was on last night and saw a picture of Peloi's house with the address attached. These are dangerous people that are stalking our democratically elected leaders.

saw a picture of Peloi's house with the address attached. It's sad how publishing the address of a politician has become akin to a threat. When I was a journalist, all politicians had their addresses and phone numbers right in the phone book. We looked them up all the time. Voters were expected to be able to know exactly where their elected officials lived. It was also one way of verifying that they actually lived wi…

The existence of someone's address in a phone book isn't a threat. There's not anything inherently devious about making that information public, but you can't just view that in isolation. 99.99999% of people have no use for that information. If you're publishing just that person's address without comment, you have infer the intent from the circumstances. Nobody on Parler is sharing her address to show that she's an honest politician actually living within her district. The implication of sharing just one person's home address with people who hate her is to encourage malfeasance at such location. I think this implication would have always existed.

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Twitter did act against a Chinese tweet about Uygurs the other day

Which one?

The one where they were trying spin forced IUDs and sterilizations as a way to promote gender equity and reproductive health[1]

[1] https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2021/01/twitter-takes-do...

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Parler had the option to police their users but put an unqualified volunteer moderation team in charge. As you can imagine this leads to suboptimal results where the most egregious content isn't removed. I was on last night and saw a picture of Peloi's house with the address attached. These are dangerous people that are stalking our democratically elected leaders.

saw a picture of Peloi's house with the address attached. It's sad how publishing the address of a politician has become akin to a threat. When I was a journalist, all politicians had their addresses and phone numbers right in the phone book. We looked them up all the time. Voters were expected to be able to know exactly where their elected officials lived. It was also one way of verifying that they actually lived wi…

I posted a few weeks ago - someone in Kentucky is trying to make it a felony to post such information.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25485245

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Parler had the option to police their users but put an unqualified volunteer moderation team in charge. As you can imagine this leads to suboptimal results where the most egregious content isn't removed. I was on last night and saw a picture of Peloi's house with the address attached. These are dangerous people that are stalking our democratically elected leaders.

saw a picture of Peloi's house with the address attached. It's sad how publishing the address of a politician has become akin to a threat. When I was a journalist, all politicians had their addresses and phone numbers right in the phone book. We looked them up all the time. Voters were expected to be able to know exactly where their elected officials lived. It was also one way of verifying that they actually lived wi…

Most forms of harassment includes actions and words that in isolation would mean nothing.

I had someone send me some very abusive and threatening emails, and among the images they sent, was a screenshot of a flight quote and a photo of my house from Google Maps.

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I saw multiple posts & comments at the end of December with people literally calling for the murder of members of Congress on Jan 6th. I reported them when I noticed. I checked back after the Capitol Riots and the posts were still there. If they had any moderation it was not at all effective even for the most obviously unacceptable content.

People call for murder of the rich on twitter the whole time but nobody cares apparently. Double standards much?

No. One presents a clear and present danger and the other doesn't.

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All I’m going to say is that I’m all for free speech and setting fair rules for everyone to play by (ie regulation), but looking at the examples provided in the buzzfeed articles this is beyond simple free speech. I hear a lot of people saying this is just another example of the left trying to shut down free speech but there are clear threats being made on the platform. If Parler doesn’t want to do any content regula…

> I hear a lot of people saying this is just another example of the left trying to shut down free speech

This is a specious argument on its face. The First Amendment does not say that private companies are obligated to spend money broadcasting someone else's speech. Hosting and serving isn't free and any private company has the freedom to decide what not to host.

If an author's content is so toxic that advertisers won't be associated with it and thus hosts can't or won't afford to host it, that's on the author.

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