Parler drops offline after Amazon pulls support • Hacker News Board

Re: Parler drops offline after Amazon pulls support

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Post by andrewclunn » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 5:30 PM UTC

andrewmutz wrote: post #161

notsureaboutpg wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The NYT lied to the American public to whip them up into supporting the Iraq War, which led to the deaths of millions of people (many of them innocent). Why won't AWS, Google, and Apple collectively ban them? Their open calls for violence were far more consequential and severe and serious than anything on Parler

The Iraq war is a great example because it highlights how rare this is. You had to go back 15 years to find an example of the mainstream media misleading people on this scale. It can be true that both: - The NYT deserves a lot of blame for the lead up to the iraq war ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judith_Miller#The_Iraq_War ) - Newspapers generally do a really good job of fact checking the articles they print

And I supposed Epstein killed himself as well? Much more often the mainstream media simply "memory holes" things it doesn't want you to know about. I mean they certainly tried to get us into war with Syria (anyone remember the "reporter" who sniffed nerve gas?) The lies are blatant and unending, but we all know what side the bread is buttered on for tech start ups, which is why this "news aggregator" is such a laughable joke for anything related to politics.

Re: Parler drops offline after Amazon pulls support

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Post by jeffreyrogers » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 5:31 PM UTC

rgbrenner wrote: post #218

jeffreyrogers wrote: post #131

This is troubling. I understand the 1st amendment argument, but isn't this more an anti-trust case? If a baker won't bake you a cake because you're gay there are dozens of other bakeries nearby that will, regardless of the merits or lackthereof of choosing not to bake a cake in that situation. If your service provider kicks you off their platform they've destroyed your entire business. I understand if they won't allo…

They don't allow companies like Perler to signup. What Perler used AWS for is prohibited by the TOS and AUP that Perler agreed to. It just took a while for AWS to notice and enforce the legal agreement that Perler agreed to abide by. Perler lied right from the beginning (because they had no intention of abiding by their agreement) to get AWS to provide service they would never have provided had Perler been honest fro…

Colorado lost the cake lawsuit. If anything that makes my claim stronger.

Re: Parler drops offline after Amazon pulls support

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Post by AHappyCamper » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 5:32 PM UTC

This only proves that the Big Tech companies need to be regulated and that Section 230 should be repealed. Break their power! Parler should sue them for billions. The federal gov't should also sue them for antitrust violations.

Re: Parler drops offline after Amazon pulls support

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Post by ookblah » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 5:32 PM UTC

tmpz22 wrote: post #216

To all the HN users defending Parler by drawing false equivalencies to BLM, the NYTimes, Saudi Arabia, and China, without acknowledging the events of The last few months: shame on you. Parler and it’s moderator team , as well as Donald Trump, has supported COVID denial, the election fraud conspiracy, and Q conspiracy, for over a year. This was a concentrated effort to brain wash American conservatives to completely d…

seriously. millions of conservatives are still on twitter/fb with no censorship. some of the biggest conservative "celebs" built their audiences on twitter and benefit from the outrage machine. it's so hilariously out of touch and ironic to me that they are criticizing these actions uncensored and then trying to make slippery slope arguments or play the persecuted minority. what happened to parler is the exception, not the rule.

Re: Parler drops offline after Amazon pulls support

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Post by santoshalper » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 5:32 PM UTC

bArray wrote: post #147

chasing wrote: post #41

Parler wasn't some innocent social media site that happened to have some disgusting content on it. The disgusting content was literally its reason for existing, despite all of the bland "we're just a free speech site" stuff. And I have yet to hear anyone discuss how "anything goes" and social media do not mix. It's much easier to turn a community toxic than it is to keep it healthy, and healthy communities (of any so…

> Parler wasn't some innocent social media site that happened > to have some disgusting content on it. You can't state that as fact. The platform itself was not inherently about spreading objectionable material. It was about being more free than Twitter. > And I have yet to hear anyone discuss how "anything goes" > and social media do not mix. As with all free speech, it had legal limits, such as threats of violence.…

> You can't state that as fact. The platform itself was not inherently about spreading objectionable material. It was about being more free than Twitter.

No man, it wasn't. They are just lying to you. Try to be more credulous.

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20200627/23551144803/as-pr...

Re: Parler drops offline after Amazon pulls support

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Post by starkd » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 5:32 PM UTC

hackyhacky wrote: post #115

vorpalhex wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Actually, Parler has been use to literally plan an overthrow of the US government. That's why it's banned. So far, Parler and its associates have come a lot closer to dismantling American democracy than Iran ever has. That's why they get taken more seriously. Neither Twitter, nor Apple, nor Amazon want to be responsible for the rise of a fascist regime in the US. Too often, you can't see the rise of authoritarianism…

Respectfully, I think you missed the point. There are many voices on parler not out to overthrow anything. You may disagree with them, but they are within the mainstream of political debate. The power of a tech oligarchy to take out its competitor is a serious violation of anti-trust law. There are less ham-fisted approaches to dealing with illegal activity. The DOJ and FBI have effective means to do it.

Re: Parler drops offline after Amazon pulls support

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 5:32 PM UTC

minimuffins wrote: post #192

davewritescode wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't see a difference between what was occurring on Parler vs the New York Times writing an op-ed? You're intentionally conflating reasonable discourse vs facilitating a violent mob. Do I agree with that particular NY Times op-ed? No, but publishing is a reasonable way to share your views in a way Parler was literally being used to coordinate an attack on US politicians that has lead to the death of 5 people. We…

> conflating reasonable discourse... This is precisely my point! Who gets to decide what's reasonable discourse? I personally don't think the whole rank and file of establishment press jumping over each other to get in line behind the US state and starting two truly godawful wars is reasonable. If I was in charge of distributing news to people in the early 2000s, I'd have simply disallowed all of it and made sure peo…

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Re: Parler drops offline after Amazon pulls support

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Post by zests » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 5:32 PM UTC

rgbrenner wrote: post #218

jeffreyrogers wrote: post #131

This is troubling. I understand the 1st amendment argument, but isn't this more an anti-trust case? If a baker won't bake you a cake because you're gay there are dozens of other bakeries nearby that will, regardless of the merits or lackthereof of choosing not to bake a cake in that situation. If your service provider kicks you off their platform they've destroyed your entire business. I understand if they won't allo…

They don't allow companies like Perler to signup. What Perler used AWS for is prohibited by the TOS and AUP that Perler agreed to. It just took a while for AWS to notice and enforce the legal agreement that Perler agreed to abide by. Perler lied right from the beginning (because they had no intention of abiding by their agreement) to get AWS to provide service they would never have provided had Perler been honest fro…

In this world, service providers should create TOS that are as complicated as possible so that practically every company is violating them. The terms can then be applied "as needed".

Re: Parler drops offline after Amazon pulls support

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Post by vb6sp6 » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 5:33 PM UTC

chr1 wrote: post #58

Left wing democrats and Trump supporters want to eliminate each other, in a sense of eliminating their defining idea. Sadly in their war they are weaponizing the shared infrastructure, harming themselves and the people not interested in their war. (e.g. triggering the new wave of internet regulation in other countries, delaying a flight because there is someone with red hat etc.) The economy and civility that allow b…

AWS will be fine. Anyone not using these hosts to promote terrorism will be fine.

Re: Parler drops offline after Amazon pulls support

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Post by munificent » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 5:34 PM UTC

mgkimsal wrote: post #55

chasing wrote: post #41

Parler wasn't some innocent social media site that happened to have some disgusting content on it. The disgusting content was literally its reason for existing, despite all of the bland "we're just a free speech site" stuff. And I have yet to hear anyone discuss how "anything goes" and social media do not mix. It's much easier to turn a community toxic than it is to keep it healthy, and healthy communities (of any so…

I poked around on it some, and noticed something ... disturbing. I saw what I assumed were bots posting a lot of garbage links to 'articles' like "Obama compound raided!" and "8 Democrats switch to Republican Party" (that actually happened in Feb 2020, but the link was to an undated rerun and the link was posted.. 2 days ago?). The links were to such trustworthy sites as 'firstusanews.us' (made up, but all variants l…

> the only way to get 'badged' is to use the mobile app and take a picture of govt ID (driver license, passport, etc).

Maybe the entire site is just an FBI honeypot for right-wing extremists? (It's obviously not an NSA honeypot, because they could afford to self-host.)