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Parler drops offline after Amazon pulls support

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Post by jkrems »

kiawe_fire wrote: post #113
minimuffins wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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At some point this becomes about what is right for society versus what you can legally get away with and what you feel like doing because you can. Is this, legally, a free speech issue on its own? No, and I support Amazon’s right to “nope” out of anything they want. But in the current context of the rush to also prevent open Trump support in other areas like payment processing, and the way the media is hellbent on tr…

> the way the media is hellbent on trying to inextricably link Trump support with terrorism.

Trump has moved himself outside of the system of American democracy and to this day refuses to acknowledge a democratic election result[1]. So yes, actively supporting him at this point is supporting an end to American democracy, pretty objectively. Linking the overthrow of the democratic order with terrorism, just after a mob entered the capitol and successfully interrupted the democratic order for multiple hours, doesn't feel a huge leap.

Being conservative isn't linked with terrorism. Being libertarian isn't linked with terrorism. Supporting somebody who rejects democracy is linked with terrorism. It's seems pretty clear cut to me.

[1] He said that a new administration will enter office but never that it does so rightfully based on a legitimate election.

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Post by partiallypro »

valuearb wrote: post #40
partiallypro wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would be near willing to bet that more of the Capitol Hill events were planned on private Facebook groups, chats, etc than on Parler. Signal is a chat app that is secure and group chats are big in planning... So are they going to ban Signal? Conspiracy theories are rampant on WeChat and even over text messages.

You’d likely be wrong. You have to meet your conspirators on public platforms or in public places before you can switch to private communications.

I just said they probably were on private Facebook groups, once you meet there you can branch out to Signal and WeChat, etc. My point is that you don't see calls to ban those apps, but everyone is celebrating Parler's death. I think everyone should be careful what they wish for.

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Post by Saint_Genet »

hashbig wrote: post #164
chasing wrote: post #41

Parler wasn't some innocent social media site that happened to have some disgusting content on it. The disgusting content was literally its reason for existing, despite all of the bland "we're just a free speech site" stuff. And I have yet to hear anyone discuss how "anything goes" and social media do not mix. It's much easier to turn a community toxic than it is to keep it healthy, and healthy communities (of any so…

I remember very well as a middle eastern how ISIS was freely allowed to use Twitter, Facebook and Youtube for recruitment and propaganda in 2015 and none of those platforms did anything about it. Also just today this story was on the front page in HN: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/06/technology/myanmar-facebo... So spare us all the "No hate and violence on our platform" BS. Either you go after all hate and violence…

What kind of world are you trying to advocate with comments like these? Just because you soiled the bed in the past you should just keep doing it?

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Post by trsohmers »

hashbig wrote: post #164
chasing wrote: post #41

Parler wasn't some innocent social media site that happened to have some disgusting content on it. The disgusting content was literally its reason for existing, despite all of the bland "we're just a free speech site" stuff. And I have yet to hear anyone discuss how "anything goes" and social media do not mix. It's much easier to turn a community toxic than it is to keep it healthy, and healthy communities (of any so…

I remember very well as a middle eastern how ISIS was freely allowed to use Twitter, Facebook and Youtube for recruitment and propaganda in 2015 and none of those platforms did anything about it. Also just today this story was on the front page in HN: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/06/technology/myanmar-facebo... So spare us all the "No hate and violence on our platform" BS. Either you go after all hate and violence…

The US government asked Twitter and other social media sites not to ban certain groups of ISIS twitter accounts until they were able to gain enough information... afterwards Twitter had no problem deleting hundreds of thousands of ISIS/other extremist accounts en mass.

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Post by dukeofdoom »

The rise of the Authoritarian left is upon. Brace for patriot act 2.0. Being banned from banking, flights, job opportunities, and society based on political association. Watch the crackdown as Biden is a deeply problematic and corrupt individual, that won an election that increasingly people will question as taxes are raised on the productive, and covid rules are used to justify taking away rights.

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Post by tmpz22 »

To all the HN users defending Parler by drawing false equivalencies to BLM, the NYTimes, Saudi Arabia, and China, without acknowledging the events of The last few months: shame on you.

Parler and it’s moderator team , as well as Donald Trump, has supported COVID denial, the election fraud conspiracy, and Q conspiracy, for over a year. This was a concentrated effort to brain wash American conservatives to completely distrust and disassemble the institutions of American democracy. I don’t know if you are from other countries and do not realize the context and severity of these actions, or if you’re troll accounts wishing to sow the same discord on HN. It won’t work.

This isn’t a first amendment of free speech issue. This is a lifesaving step for the public commons.

You can still have conservative values. Nobody got banned for supporting lower taxes, states rights, or being anti-abortion. You can promote and discuss those on Twitter Facebook and AWS on any day of the week. What you cannot do is organize thousands of individuals to commit violent acts, or call for and attempt the murder of rightfully elected public officials not just on January 6 - but again on Inauguration Day. That is why this disgusting content, on the same level of snuff porn and child porn, had to be purged from the internet.

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Post by igravious »

clarkmoody wrote: post #63

The great irony here is that these de-platformings are only concerned with non-state violence (or so they claim). There is no censorship of people advocating for disarming the entire population (using political violence) or depriving them of property (again, using state power). And as far as I can tell, none of the politicians who initiate and perpetuate war are de-platformed.

Is irony the correct word?

--8In May 1996 Madeleine Albright, who was then the U.S. ambassador to the UN, was asked by 60 Minutes correspondent Lesley Stahl, in reference to years of U.S.-led economic sanctions against Iraq,

LS: “We have heard that half a million children have died. I mean, that is more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?”

To which Ambassador Albright responded,

MA: “I think that is a very hard choice, but the price, we think, the price is worth it.”

--8https://www.globalpolicy.org/component/content/article/170-s...

Madeleine Albright is on Twitter: https://twitter.com/madeleine

Depending on your morality and politics there are countless other examples. Perhaps hypocrisy is the more correct word?

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Post by rgbrenner »

jeffreyrogers wrote: post #131

This is troubling. I understand the 1st amendment argument, but isn't this more an anti-trust case? If a baker won't bake you a cake because you're gay there are dozens of other bakeries nearby that will, regardless of the merits or lackthereof of choosing not to bake a cake in that situation. If your service provider kicks you off their platform they've destroyed your entire business. I understand if they won't allo…

They don't allow companies like Perler to signup. What Perler used AWS for is prohibited by the TOS and AUP that Perler agreed to. It just took a while for AWS to notice and enforce the legal agreement that Perler agreed to abide by. Perler lied right from the beginning (because they had no intention of abiding by their agreement) to get AWS to provide service they would never have provided had Perler been honest from the start.

Also the cake issue is different because discriminating based on sexual orientation was prohibited by the Colorado Anti-Discrimination Act. Colorado (the state I live in) has every right to pass laws to govern it's citizens. What happened to state's rights?

To me these are very clear: You either believe contracts and laws can be enforced, or you don't.

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Post by asdffdsa »

rnikander wrote: post #169

Does anyone else think it's suspicious that they built everything on AWS? I mean, if you know you're going to take heat for your content being less moderated, wouldn't you diversify your infrastructure? I wonder if someone wanted this to happen, in order to increase support for certain legislative action?

Ockam's razor man, I doubt they even considered it. And by the time they did, the app was too big to move and/or even secure another cloud provider.

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Post by klmadfejno »

halfjoking wrote: post #154
hackyhacky wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually, Parler has been use to literally plan an overthrow of the US government. That's why it's banned. So far, Parler and its associates have come a lot closer to dismantling American democracy than Iran ever has. That's why they get taken more seriously. Neither Twitter, nor Apple, nor Amazon want to be responsible for the rise of a fascist regime in the US. Too often, you can't see the rise of authoritarianism…

"Storming the capital" had as much legitimacy as the "raid on AREA 51." Those people dressed like Huck Finn Braveheart had as much chance of overthrowing the US government as memelords did kidnapping an alien and bringing intergalactic peace. This feels like 9/11 all over again. You got the worst legislation in US history as a result of 9/11. (the Patriotic Act) What's going to be the Patriotic Act for the internet n…

Overthrowing the government? Certainly not. But I would not think it unreasonable to say that if the mob had found the actual senate, they would have killed some of them. Let's not construct artificial goal posts about what is utterly and extremely beyond the point of acceptable behavior. They killed a cop with a fire extinguisher. I have no reason to believe they wouldn't swing weapons at Democrat political leaders. Or even Republican political leaders.
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