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Laptop stolen from Pelosi's office during storming of U.S. Capitol, says aide

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Re: Laptop stolen from Pelosi's office during storming of U.S. Capitol, says aide

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Post by mistermann »

Twixes wrote: post #688
mistermann wrote: post #375

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think there are many plausible (but not necessarily "reasonable") alternative explanations. As far as I can tell, this event seems to have had an extremely persuasive effect on the psyche and opinions of the average person. Who might benefit from this change in the mental state of the population, and in what ways? Most people seem to find the very idea of thinking such thoughts to be extremely unpleasant, if not do…

What? Who?

Hahah, I love the feigned confusion technique.

Re: Laptop stolen from Pelosi's office during storming of U.S. Capitol, says aide

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Post by t0mas88 »

brudgers wrote: post #734
t0mas88 wrote: post #601

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Dutch Parliament has a visitors entrance and is (in non-covid times) easily accessible to the public. But for obvious security reasons their private offices are behind these kinds of locked doors. Since a few years I think you have to go through a metal detector to be allowed into the public areas. It makes no sense at all that the US Capitol doesn't have stronger barriers between the public areas and the private off…

The offices are public areas because they serve public officials carrying out public office.

But why does a public official's office need to be a public area? I'm sure you're not allowed to walk into it without an appointment, so having appropriate security barriers wouldn't stop them doing their job at all and would improve security.

Re: Laptop stolen from Pelosi's office during storming of U.S. Capitol, says aide

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Post by hchz »

bradknowles wrote: post #739
hchz wrote: post #597

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This would never be used by USG. Confidential -> Classified The classification scheme is broadly cut up into Confidential, Secret, Top Secret, and Codeword. There are many modifiers to that such as Five-Eyes, Cosmic (NATO), and Restricted-Data (Nuclear Weapon Design). There are a menagerie of controls that don't rise to classification, like NOFORN, Law Enforcement Sensitive, For official use only, etc.

Code word compartments cut horizontally across the Confidential/Secret/Top Secret hierarchy. I’ve seen stuff that was classified Confidential, but also in a code word protected compartment. I had a TS/SCI/SI/CT/NATO/ATOMAL clearance when I worked for the Defense Information Systems Agency in the Pentagon. Many times over the past 25+ years I have had to correct people who think the compartmented stuff is classified a…

I don't dispute that, I was trying to present a somewhat simplified view of this in a succinct comment.

To me, the most interesting aspects of classification were that the title, content, and classification level itself don't necessarily share levels.

Re: Laptop stolen from Pelosi's office during storming of U.S. Capitol, says aide

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Post by tandr »

tandr wrote: post #594
rayiner wrote: post #216

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That’s just how the Capitol (and most US state houses) is. My wife has on multiple occasions waltzed down to the (non-public) underground subway that connects the Capitol to the Senate and House office buildings to chat with members of Congress. The Capitol Police usually say “well you’re not supposed to be here, but I guess it’s okay.”

This is not the information for a public forum, sorry.

I may be paranoid, and thus don't get why the downvotes?

  1. The person specified he has a wife that chats with members of Congress out of usual channels of communications.
  2. The person specified place where it happens in the open.
How hard for some non-friendly party to get there directly given the instructions above, or start tracking his wife through other means and get there through her?

Re: Laptop stolen from Pelosi's office during storming of U.S. Capitol, says aide

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Post by Twixes »

mistermann wrote: post #741
Twixes wrote: post #688

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What? Who?

Hahah, I love the feigned confusion technique.

I truly am struggling to extract any coherent meaning from that comment. Democrats, controlling just the House – when Repulicans are running the federal gov't with the Senate and the presidency – have instituted this event? Some big capitalists maybe? Putin? The Jews?

Re: Laptop stolen from Pelosi's office during storming of U.S. Capitol, says aide

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Post by fit2rule »

eloff wrote: post #715
jfk13 wrote: post #650

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They left a pretty clear trail, and they didn't actually succeed in killing the target. Sounds amateurish to me.

That sounds intentional. The only reason to use novichok as the weapon is precisely so everyone knows who did it. It's meant to be an example to others so they don't cross the Russian government.

Russians are not the only ones manufacturing the substance known as Novichok. The UK and US also manufacture it.

Re: Laptop stolen from Pelosi's office during storming of U.S. Capitol, says aide

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Post by mistermann »

Twixes wrote: post #745
mistermann wrote: post #741

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hahah, I love the feigned confusion technique.

I truly am struggling to extract any coherent meaning from that comment. Democrats, controlling just the House – when Repulicans are running the federal gov't with the Senate and the presidency – have instituted this event? Some big capitalists maybe? Putin? The Jews?

The Democrat/Republican duopoly is mutually beneficial to both party. Grassroots populist candidates (Perot, Trump, Sanders) are a pain in the ass for both of them, as would future ones be.

Wouldn't it be convenient if a massive spectacle was to occur, whereby the US public could see in 4K HDR the danger that populist political candidates introduce to the system, how it "threatens our most sacred institution: Democracy.

And as luck would have it, along comes a massive throng of obviously angry and delusional Trump supporters, with well advertised (and well known to authorities) plans to descend on the US Capitol, to "rescue Democracy", or some such nonsense.

So, what do you do in a situation where you have hordes of angry (and possibly armed) political extremists heading towards a politically strategic location, on a particularly important day (in your democracy)?

Do you:

a) Beef up security

b) Not beef up security

It seems like option (b) was chosen. Depending on what variable one is optimizing for, this was a terrible choice, or an excellent one.

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