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Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by VikingCoder »

sanedigital wrote: post #380
VikingCoder wrote: post #280

Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to Wikipedia, there are 4,000,000 active Parler users. You think you can assert with confidence that there are not 40,000 people with Parler accounts who want mass executions? I'd like to think you're right, but I'm not as confident as you are. Not after watching someone beat a Capitol Police officer to death with a flag pole flying the American Flag. People think they are defending their country against ev…

The data is public now—if you're so certain, go find me a single post on Parler calling for mass executions.

> The data is public now—if you're so certain, go find me a single post on Parler calling for mass executions.

Easily done:

https://imgur.com/gallery/nHb2lO8

Some of these are Verified users - Parler has their Drivers License and Social Security number, and yet they still felt secure in brazenly violating the law like this.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by whimsicalism »

syops wrote: post #493
whimsicalism wrote: post #473

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> Instagram actively pays people to engage in said advancement of political agendas. I haven't seen evidence that Parler's payments are specifically tied to promoting certain political agendas versus just being an influential poster. > You have not demonstrated that this is extensive Well, I've demonstrated it as convincingly as the user above who linked to a twitter post of someone just saying they have "robust mode…

I don't claim anything about the veracity of the post you responded to or about your claims either. Except that your claims aren't an apt comparison because your comparison is logically flawed. Instagram paying some users for their content isn't the same as Instagram paying people to advocate a certain political agenda. And having a moderation system in place isn't the same as having a moderation system in place that…

> And you've made no claims about Instagram enforcing only one political viewpoint.

I think I've made pretty explicit claims about political moderation by Instagram. Personally, I'm not a huge fan of racism/sexism/etc. so I find it hard to mind, but as I've shown, they also moderate contested political claims, like stuff about Biden's crime bill, Hunter Biden, etc.

Those are political issues, and I've provided evidence of them enforcing that viewpoint. The original comment provided no actual evidence of Parler enforcing a single viewpoint, but we all know what Parler is so it doesn't take (me at least) much convincing.

I've explained both why my comparisons are not logically flawed (no evidence that Parler pays for a "certain political agenda") and have stronger epistemic backing than the claims being made about Parler.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by pelasaco »

liminal wrote: post #420

I see a number of people here describing Parler as "unmoderated", but it turns out they do have extensive moderation [1] that they use to ensure ideological conformity in their posts. Then the most active users were paid for their content too [2]. This really makes it more of a propaganda weapon than a free speech platform. [1] https://twitter.com/donk_enby/status/1347939939120533506 [2] https://twitter.com/donk_enby…

I didn't know Parler before. I'm not American, and I'm definitely not a right-wing supporter. But that's not the same as Youtube/Facebook/Spotify tries to do? Good for ads and supporting their political agenda?

References:

- https://medium.com/swlh/youtube-algorithm-rigged-breadtube-e...

- https://theindustryobserver.thebrag.com/spotify-joe-rogan/

EDIT:

Wow: So many down-votes in less than a minute, without any comment.

interesting opinion from Glenn Greenwald:

"Do you know how many of the people arrested in connection with the Capitol invasion were active users of Parler?

Zero.

The planning was largely done on Facebook. This is all a bullshit pretext for silencing competitors on ideological grounds: just the start."

https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1348619731734028293

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by sillysaurusx »

judge2020 wrote: post #484
sillysaurusx wrote: post #470

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Someone went to prison for wget'ing ATT data. And people right here argued that when you create a script to do so, you're no longer using their intended functionality in good faith.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24876481

I was talking about weev, not Aaron.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by neartheplain »

generalk wrote: post #482
neartheplain wrote: post #430

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I've recapped the depths of last summer's BLM/antifa violence in previous threads: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25667848 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25691407 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25671284 Objectively, the summer's riots (as opposed to the more numerous peaceful protests) caused more deaths, injuries, and property damage. At the same time, the assault on the capitol was an unprecedente…

> I suggest we all stop comparing these things. Agreed, they are comparable only in superficial ways which remove context vital to the understanding of both events. One group of people were protesting/rioting because police continue to suffer little consequence for murdering Black folks, despite years of effort at reform. The other group protested/rioted by breaking into the Capitol and threatening to murder politici…

One group of people were protesting/rioting because police continue to suffer little consequence for murdering Black folks, despite years of effort at reform.

If "protesting/rioting" includes gunning down unarmed black kids in the street (third link above), count me out.

This is a highly flammable topic and we seem unlikely to agree, so I'd prefer we pause here.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by nilkn »

InitialLastName wrote: post #478
jacquesm wrote: post #347

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Why would they? Because he did nothing? Or because he was 'present'? Accounts that monitor something are not going to run with the crowd in their act. See also: the historian who documented a lot of the mayhem on the 6th from inside the crowd.

I've been seeing a lot of people claiming to have been in the Capitol (with the crowd) in a "journalism" capacity who also seem to spend the rest of their time openly and vocally supporting the conspiracy theories and groups that led to the riot. I've become very torn between the dual ideas that a) it's important for people to be covering these things and b) by nature of a protest, those people being in the crowd are…

I think there's a difference between physically showing up at the Capitol during that event and being present for the whole thing (even if not entering the Capitol) versus just having an account on a site where some planning for the event took place. It seems to me that it would've been quite possible for a casual user of Parler -- or someone like the above poster who signed up as an observer -- to not even be aware of said planning. For instance, I'm pretty sure I have some family members who created Parler accounts in the past, and yet they called me up asking me what was going on at the Capitol and why, suggesting they were just as surprised/shocked as everyone else.

I think folks here are underestimating how many people just viewed Parler as a right-leaning Twitter and didn't realize how far some corners of it had went or were going.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by cbozeman »

marcinzm wrote: post #372
brigandish wrote: post #344

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> The threat is in giving the fascist terrorist 1% a microphone The problem with fascist terrorists is not their rhetoric, it's their violence. Allow them to speak their mind and you lower their need for violent action and everyone else gets to show that their ideas are horribly flawed. It's amusing to think that people seriously believe there are huge swathes of people just ripe to become neo-nazis because someone g…

>It's amusing to think that people seriously believe there are huge swathes of people just ripe to become neo-nazis because someone gave a rousing speech or wrote some tweets - how do you manage not to succumb to these rhetorical titans? Given that exactly this happened 90 years ago and caused the deaths of tens of millions, people are needless to say cautious.

You can't have Hitler without the Treaty of Versailles. He was just a catalyst to an incredibly punitive and emasculating treaty that scarred the psychology of the German people.

If it hadn't been Hitler, it would have eventually been someone else.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by [deleted] »

whimsicalism wrote: post #451
crispywalrus wrote: post #447

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Instagram doesn't claim to be a "free speech" platform. You have to only be mildly interested in it to see that it's all about "engagement" Parler explicitly claimed "free speech" as a goal

So because the owners claim the platform to be something other than it actually is, it is okay for this person to leak the Parler users' private images and videos?

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