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Europe Is Guaranteeing Citizens the Right to Repair

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Re: Europe Is Guaranteeing Citizens the Right to Repair

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Speaking of waste. I researched about photoresistor (LDR) recently and learned from Wikipedia that cadmium based ones are restricted in EU. I wonder why they are not outlawed in US if the substance is toxic and can leak into water supply, etc.

As to right-to-repair, EU seems ahead on that front but US has one regulation which EU does not which is Magnuson–Moss Warranty Act.

Re: Europe Is Guaranteeing Citizens the Right to Repair

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As a someone who goes against anti-right-to-repair laws, I am not so enthused with a mandate that all devices be repairable. Because there maybe cases where devices can’t be repaired.

What kind of problems will something like this create for future device manufacturers?

Re: Europe Is Guaranteeing Citizens the Right to Repair

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This is great, although it somehow seems to me to be starting in the wrong end. The underlying problem is that it is more profitable/cheaper to just give you a new product (if something breaks while under warrantee) and then just throw away the old instead of repairing it. I don't know if it is because the externalities of waste are not taxed properly or if it is because manufacturing products that are hard to repair gives more robust products and less waste in the end.

Re: Europe Is Guaranteeing Citizens the Right to Repair

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I can't describe how much I hope something comes out of it. Not because I have some illusion of this tackling corporate greed, or helping the environment - devices will likely become more expensive and bulkier as a result, supply chain of replacement parts is generating heaps of waste too.

I simply am surrounded by tens and hundreds of sort-of-broken devices that don't force me to replace yet, but are not fixable either. The laptop overheats, phone compass never works properly, one port in the TV is dead, there is no light in the fridge (but it still works). The list goes on. I just want a world where stuff lasting a lifetime exists.

Re: Europe Is Guaranteeing Citizens the Right to Repair

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Speaking of waste. I researched about photoresistor (LDR) recently and learned from Wikipedia that cadmium based ones are restricted in EU. I wonder why they are not outlawed in US if the substance is toxic and can leak into water supply, etc. As to right-to-repair, EU seems ahead on that front but US has one regulation which EU does not which is Magnuson–Moss Warranty Act.

> Magnuson–Moss Warranty Act

I'm not that familiar with US consumer law. What makes this regulation favourable compared to the equivalent EU laws?

Re: Europe Is Guaranteeing Citizens the Right to Repair

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post #4

This is great, although it somehow seems to me to be starting in the wrong end. The underlying problem is that it is more profitable/cheaper to just give you a new product (if something breaks while under warrantee) and then just throw away the old instead of repairing it. I don't know if it is because the externalities of waste are not taxed properly or if it is because manufacturing products that are hard to repair…

When repair labor costs more than automated production, then it's cheaper to replace whole units than mend parts.

This is very much in line when what the Luddites understood. Fixation on "waste" is a by-product of unrelated worries which are fashionable today, but cheap production at a distance is what labor should worry about, instead.

Re: Europe Is Guaranteeing Citizens the Right to Repair

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post #5

I can't describe how much I hope something comes out of it. Not because I have some illusion of this tackling corporate greed, or helping the environment - devices will likely become more expensive and bulkier as a result, supply chain of replacement parts is generating heaps of waste too. I simply am surrounded by tens and hundreds of sort-of-broken devices that don't force me to replace yet, but are not fixable eit…

But it exists - it's not that stuff is worse now than it was before, you just have to spend the value (not amount) of money you spent back in the 60's. Our family houses are full of stuff that lasts a lifetime and/or can be easily fixed - you just can't buy the first thing the ad in TV suggests.

Re: Europe Is Guaranteeing Citizens the Right to Repair

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As a someone who goes against anti-right-to-repair laws, I am not so enthused with a mandate that all devices be repairable. Because there maybe cases where devices can’t be repaired. What kind of problems will something like this create for future device manufacturers?

What are those cases? This is just ensuring that consumers have the option to repair so the manufacturers aren’t mandating waste or planned obsolescence
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