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Re: France lobbies G8 for Internet control and censorship

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Post by nkassis »

tttp wrote: post #2

France had an unfortunate history of self censorship from the media and active control of the public media from the president(de Gaulle that controlled the only TV channel, Mitterand ordering illegal wiretapping of journalists) The actual french President is a control freak. Sarkozy has strong relationship with most of the private media owners and is using it. He has since the start of his mandate tried to control th…

You forgot Canada with Harper's government which is actively trying to push legislation that would allow the government to spy on internet traffic.

So with Russia that's 4-8 G8 countries I'm pretty sure the other 4 are probably in league with this type of crap.

No way to win.

Re: France lobbies G8 for Internet control and censorship

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Post by nazar »

nkassis wrote: post #11
tttp wrote: post #2

France had an unfortunate history of self censorship from the media and active control of the public media from the president(de Gaulle that controlled the only TV channel, Mitterand ordering illegal wiretapping of journalists) The actual french President is a control freak. Sarkozy has strong relationship with most of the private media owners and is using it. He has since the start of his mandate tried to control th…

You forgot Canada with Harper's government which is actively trying to push legislation that would allow the government to spy on internet traffic. So with Russia that's 4-8 G8 countries I'm pretty sure the other 4 are probably in league with this type of crap. No way to win.

I don't think Russia needs approval from from G8 to control the internet traffic. I am not from Russia, but from one of the post soviet countries, so I can assure you things are run differently over here. Russia might seem to be one of the most democratic countries (among post soviet countries), but from the inside it is completely another story.

Re: France lobbies G8 for Internet control and censorship

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Post by loy22 »

As a French I don't vote anymore. The truth is that Freedom is incompatible with having full time elected people at all scales of the society, since they need to justify their work by taking all kinds of unsollicited stances and intempestive measures.

Left or Right ? Both of them will spend the most of their time fulfulling their purpose : to make new laws. Generally on a wide range of topics they don't understand (not only the Internet).

Unfortunately, the blank vote isn't recognized in France: abstention is the best option. So far, no political party suggests that we drastically reduce the number and power of representatives.

Re: France lobbies G8 for Internet control and censorship

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Post by notaddicted »

tttp wrote: post #2

France had an unfortunate history of self censorship from the media and active control of the public media from the president(de Gaulle that controlled the only TV channel, Mitterand ordering illegal wiretapping of journalists) The actual french President is a control freak. Sarkozy has strong relationship with most of the private media owners and is using it. He has since the start of his mandate tried to control th…

Freedom of speech isn't a law of nature, and it wasn't handed down from God or whomever. In the United States it is provided by the Constitution. In Canada we have the Charter of Rights and Freedoms and hate speech is forbidden, for example, members of the Westboro Baptist Church are banned from Canada.

Re: France lobbies G8 for Internet control and censorship

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Post by tluyben2 »

Italy + France trying to get some of glory back they once had. Wanting to have the success Germany has had these past years. Problem is that Germans like quality and working while the French, Italians, Spanish, Portugese and Greek do not. The latter countries protest against unemployment (???), higher pensions ages and higher taxes. They waste time instead of working for their countries to get better. Then get in a few corrupt presidents who like to be popular instead of running/saving their countries (give me Merkel any day over those imbeciles in FR/IT/ES). France needs to do something to get it's former glory back, so yeah, why not try to get 'control' over the internet?

Disclaimer: I live in NL/FR/ES, not in Germany. I spent a lot of time in all 4, although my main country is NL; the Spanish and French are just lazy. Nothing else to say about it; they really do not want to work, just maintain their level of comfort. Come on; protesting unemployment? They want cushy jobs from the government in government run facilities so they cannot get fired. What crazy attitude is that? /endrant

Edit: downvoters; reply and tell what's wrong with this; I live(d) in all these countries; I know the people and I know the mindset. Most inhabitants agree with these sentiments. Maybe you (hopefully you live in one?) don't, but you can have the decency to reply he?

Re: France lobbies G8 for Internet control and censorship

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Post by keane »

loy22 wrote: post #13

As a French I don't vote anymore. The truth is that Freedom is incompatible with having full time elected people at all scales of the society, since they need to justify their work by taking all kinds of unsollicited stances and intempestive measures. Left or Right ? Both of them will spend the most of their time fulfulling their purpose : to make new laws. Generally on a wide range of topics they don't understand (n…

I think your stance should be commended. However, while they do say "We want full time parliamentary elected representatives, free to set their own agenda, free to control the country's budget, free to debate all public issues...", what are your thoughts on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Alternative ?

Re: France lobbies G8 for Internet control and censorship

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Post by DrJokepu »

notaddicted wrote: post #14
tttp wrote: post #2

France had an unfortunate history of self censorship from the media and active control of the public media from the president(de Gaulle that controlled the only TV channel, Mitterand ordering illegal wiretapping of journalists) The actual french President is a control freak. Sarkozy has strong relationship with most of the private media owners and is using it. He has since the start of his mandate tried to control th…

Freedom of speech isn't a law of nature, and it wasn't handed down from God or whomever. In the United States it is provided by the Constitution. In Canada we have the Charter of Rights and Freedoms and hate speech is forbidden, for example, members of the Westboro Baptist Church are banned from Canada.

Actually, the US constitution does not provide any rights, it does assume that Freedom of Speech and other rights are inherently ours and it only limits the powers of the federal government.
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