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Post by ourmandave »

wtfiswiththis wrote: post #510
FFRefresh wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's your proposal for how Fox News should be handled, given they "lie every single day"? Should Fox News have their licenses removed, and be taken off the air & internet?

>Should Fox News have their licenses removed, and be taken off the air & internet? Sounds like a good start. They have been involved in laundering terrorist rhetoric and incitement to mass attacks. Take the case of Fox employing Tucker Carlson. Tucker owns Daily Caller. Daily Caller published an article extolling the virtues of ISIS-style ramming attacks against protestors. Fox News republished this article. The resu…

Tucker Carlson was ruled to be not a credible news source in a court of law when he was sued for slander.

US District Judge Mary Kay Vyskocil agreed with Fox's premise, adding that the network "persuasively argues" that "given Mr. Carlson's reputation, any reasonable viewer 'arrive[s] with an appropriate amount of skepticism' about the statements he makes."

https://www.businessinsider.com/fox-news-karen-mcdougal-case...

It's the "any reasonable viewer arrives with an appropriate amount of skepticism" part that seems to be the problem.

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Post by casefields »

throwitaway1235 wrote: post #557

The biggest new LOL of all time is liberals posting "the events of 1/6" as if it's comparable to 9/11 or something. If obnoxious stupidity had an event horizon, this would be it.

NY state Sen. John Liu sparks outrage with tweet calling Capitol siege scarier than 9/11: https://nypost.com/2021/01/09/ny-state-sen-john-liu-explains...

‘Infamy’: Chuck Schumer Compares Capitol Chaos To Pearl Harbor: https://www.dailywire.com/news/infamy-chuck-schumer-compares...

Do a search for these and notice how it's only right wing media reporting of them. Had Trump or republicans made such embarrassing comparisons they would be in every mainstream publication as being out of touch morons.

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Post by MrMan »

jancsika wrote: post #385
S_A_P wrote: post #292

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe there isnt. You could be right, but I was speaking in broad strokes. You cant say there arent bad faith actors on the left. I honestly dont care if there is someone on the left that is equivalently 'bad'. And trying to find those people illustrates my point. Again, I think Rudy G and Steve B are generally wrong and myopic. The point Im trying to make is that just because we differ in political leaning/opinion w…

> we cant let media/twitter/social media/ state actors amplify this. I'd strongly suggest taking a harder look at the systems like HN, and consider how-- for example-- the posting speed it encourages works against you in this respect. E.g., what made you write "equivalent person on the left" since that turns out not to be a relevant detail to you? I think the system here-- like Twitter et al-- encourages posting too…

I see alot of resort to calls for "critical thinking" which any FB employee knows is no antidote to marketing or propaganda.

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Post by casefields »

alphabettsy wrote: post #338

He had accounts banned after calling for the beheading of Fauci and FBI director Wray just a couple of months ago. https://www.timesofisrael.com/twitter-bans-former-trump-advi... We should stop pretending like this is about conservative ideology, it’s about creating an environment for violence with lies and repeated calls for violence coming from Trump associates. Nobody is calling for the deplatforming of John Kasic…

Putting heads on a pike and making heads roll, are idioms for firing or dismissing accountable public officials. Unless of course something thinks he's a Hitler in training just waiting for his chance at the Fourth Reich.

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Post by Mashimo »

lovecg wrote: post #300
dataminer wrote: post #270

Not a comment on to the ban, but trying to gain perspective on the overall heated environment. I wonder, if there are more than 2 political parties representing different view points in Congress will that help in decreasing polarization?

The argument has been beaten to death so I’m probably not saying anything new to most people here, but two parties is the only stable configuration. In a first-past-the-post system, the smaller parties after the first two will be very quickly eliminated or consolidated (this includes the limiting case of no parties, where everyone is a party of one). On the other hand, if you have one large party it will eventually s…

> In a first-past-the-post system, the smaller parties after the first two will be very quickly eliminated or consolidated

I think the questions is, would switching away from first-past-the-post system to something that fruits more parties help in decreasing polarization?

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Post by janlukacs »

jeltz wrote: post #727
nathias wrote: post #715

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I agree, but its the same with the left media, the news are so highly politicized and opinionated that when comparing two news stories wouldn't be able to tell they are talking about the same event. One calls the other conspiracy theorists, the other is fake news, and everyone is applauding when their team is censoring the other.

There is left wing media like that but none of it is close to as big as Fox News. Yes, both sides do it but quantity matters.

i'm not american, but watching CNN and FOX News is EXACTLY the same thing - two propaganda machines masquerading as news.

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Post by agumonkey »

ChrisRR wrote: post #667
e40 wrote: post #21

The lies are 100% of the reason the capital riot happened, so yes, they do need to stop. Fox News lies every single day. What do we expect from a population of people that only hear these lies, day in and day out? They're going to react just like they did on 1/6.

As a brit, Fox news fascinates me. Because every clip of it I watch is so clearly opinion piece propaganda, they don't even pretend like they're reporting the news Even our "equivalent", the Murdoch owned Sky News channel is nowhere near as bad as Fox news

In the recent years it seems every country had its fox news variant. In France it could be BFM (albeit quite lower in terms of noise, but still prone to mob level conversations)

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Post by yalogin »

hellgas00 wrote: post #675
yalogin wrote: post #441

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Out of curiosity what do you agree on with Bannon and Guiliqni? Can you elaborate please?

Watch speech Bannon gave at The Oxford Union Society if you want to genuinely understand the arguments he makes. I think you'd be hard pressed not to find some of the points he makes compelling.

He probably agrees that the sun rises in the east that doesn’t mean we should say he and t are the same aren’t seditious. False equivalency will normalize the coup attempt.

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Post by pmiller2 »

raxxorrax wrote: post #720
pmiller2 wrote: post #687

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https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/jan/09/facebook-p...

politfact is not really a good source. Trump has some financial involvements that should be questioned, but this isn't really enough. Indictment doesn't mean guilty as I believe. If there had been something, we would have heard about it non-stop.

Well, Trump had 6 key people indicted, including his lawyer and his campaign manager, on 81 charges and several convictions / guilty pleas. Clinton had 2 indictments and 1 conviction, while Obama and Carter had 0. Which administration out of these would you say was the least "clean"?
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