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Post by jeofken »

cgrealy wrote: post #100
Darmody wrote: post #72

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Do you believe Fox News should be banned/censored? What about CNN? They are as biased as Fox News.

This is the fundamental problem in the US. There is a large group of people on the right that think that pointing out the objective issues with Trump is being "biased". Sometimes, there just aren't two sides to a story, or more accurately one side is true and the other believes they had the biggest inauguration crowd ever. The rest of the world clearly sees this. I'll openly admit to being a left-leaning liberal, but…

> The rest of the world clearly sees this.

I’d encourage speaking for yourself

Kind regards (Part of) The rest of the world

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Post by jacquesm »

rodgerd wrote: post #361
o-__-o wrote: post #235

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Give me a time stamp. I JUST rewatched the livestream as people streamed in, it’s for a project I am working on. I did not see anyone armed. Maybe some were armed but it was not clear and irrefutable. Edit: https://youtu.be/OiaWd5gVDvg

What were they beating police officers to death with, then. Harsh language?

Fire extinguisher, actually. And after that they continued to beat him with flagpoles and sticks.

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Post by Griffinsauce »

Darmody wrote: post #72
e40 wrote: post #21

The lies are 100% of the reason the capital riot happened, so yes, they do need to stop. Fox News lies every single day. What do we expect from a population of people that only hear these lies, day in and day out? They're going to react just like they did on 1/6.

Do you believe Fox News should be banned/censored? What about CNN? They are as biased as Fox News.

Yes but only one of those two lies more than it tells the truth and incites violence.

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Post by tomp »

creato wrote: post #522
erik_seaberg wrote: post #509

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Foreign competition is a choice (by setting low tariffs). I happen to benefit from it, but it seems a lot of working citizens don’t, and they want more protectionism than they got from Trump.

I'm not one of the economists that knee jerk reject protectionism, but I don't think it would help that much either. Trading partners won't accept tariffs without reciprocating. The US might be big enough now to get away with this to some degree, but that won't last forever, and tariffs would probably accelerate that reduction in influence. I'm all for tariffs when there is some other goal that makes sense (for examp…

I think one of Trump’s biggest mistakes was (attempting to) wage a tariff war with Europe, instead of creating a larger coalition for an economic war against China.

China’s not free trade anyways (not in terms of tariffs, but in terms of foreign businesses operating locally, and in terms of manipulating currency) so there’s only so much they can retaliate...

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Post by [deleted] »

wtfiswiththis wrote: post #510
FFRefresh wrote: post #36

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What's your proposal for how Fox News should be handled, given they "lie every single day"? Should Fox News have their licenses removed, and be taken off the air & internet?

>Should Fox News have their licenses removed, and be taken off the air & internet? Sounds like a good start. They have been involved in laundering terrorist rhetoric and incitement to mass attacks. Take the case of Fox employing Tucker Carlson. Tucker owns Daily Caller. Daily Caller published an article extolling the virtues of ISIS-style ramming attacks against protestors. Fox News republished this article. The resu…

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Post by modo_mario »

berneezy3 wrote: post #378
txru wrote: post #268

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To me, this sounds a lot like "both sides, both sides". Politics is going to be messy. There's a lot of fait-accompli-as-fiat. But while there are two parties, there is no inherent need for the parties to be symmetrical. There is no equivalent person on the left to Giuliani, because he's meaningfully facilitated illegal insurrection against a peaceful transition, while in power. I hear things like this, and I think i…

Can you point me to a source on how Giuliani "meaningfully facilitated illegal insurrection against a peaceful transition"? I can't name democrats who facilitated ilegal insurrection in regards to this past election, but I can name democrats who facilitated illegal insurrection against their own communities after the George Floyd incident. The democrats who refused to call out rioting and looting (as a separate incid…

> those who called for the short-sighted defunding of police departments in cities with high crime (look up the uptick in shootings and murder in NYC after the city removed $1 billion from the police department)

This is facilitating illegal insurrection? And NYC is your example...

Surely this could have nothing to do with covid and the whatever else but a 112% increase in shootings must be the consequence of a budget cut of a bit more than 1%.... Have you perhaps considered who it is that is registering this uptick in crime and drawing the connections? Why it was the insanely high to begin with. Like what? Do their janitors earn a million yearly?

Not having a slightly less mindblowing budget is not meaningfully facilitating illegal insurrection it's slightly more sane fiscal policy

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Post by raxxorrax »

runawaybottle wrote: post #598
nobodyandproud wrote: post #571

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Do you have any evidence that this madness can’t happen to “our side?

I don’t have any evidence, I have conclusions on behavioral patterns. The Democrats lack physical presence. It’s been an ongoing issue for us for a very long time. We had extreme issues with getting our youth vote out, getting our minority votes out. It literally took a black President to get that demo to show up, and for some reason they stopped showing up right after he was gone (for Hilary). The kids don’t turn ou…

You are downvoted, but it is often observed that rallying left leaning people behind a cause is much more difficult. Contrary to all the stickers we had the last years, it is indeed due to diverse opinions.

In my opinion that is a good property in general, just no for elections.

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Post by cbozeman »

remus wrote: post #569
bitcharmer wrote: post #553

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I've seen the term "permanently suspended" several times already. Not a native speaker, could someone please explain to me the difference between that and "banned"?

In practice they effectively mean the same thing. I suspect they're going with "permanently suspended" now because they want to avoid people using phrases like they "banned free speech" or something similar to that.

"permanently suspended free speech" doesn't really sound much different than "banned free speech".

I can't really see this being a big deal, Bannon's got enough wealth to make his own website.

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Post by andybak »

manigandham wrote: post #611
cgrealy wrote: post #532

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> “Only in the US" is only what matters when discussing US politics. And only in the US would someone be so insular as to make such a statement :) The US is still the largest economy in the world. As much as the rest of us would love to turn a blind eye when they elect an incompetent sociopath, unfortunately, we have to deal with his bullshit.

We're not discussing foreign policy but domestic politics and media as they are within the US . How the rest of the world judges them isn't relevant, and would be the same as someone in the US talking about how things are going in Zimbabwe as they look to us here. The rest of the world is not a single monolithic group either so I don't see the point of your sweeping generalizations.

Because sometimes you need the persepective of an outsider to point out how completely crazy you've become.

signed,

A Brit.

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Post by berneezy3 »

sudosysgen wrote: post #618
0xB31B1B wrote: post #600

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There is a categorical difference between looting your local big box store and attempting to overturn the results of a national democratic election through violence. Did you see the videos of the crowds shouting “hang mike pence” at the capital? The elected democratic mayors of the cities begged the crowds and the police to deescalate violence, and they sent help when called. The elected president of the US escalated…

An important distinction I've also noticed is that the burning down and looting done in riots this summer was an act of spontaneoud anger and rage, not a planned event in order to create fear. No one was planning the looting of a store three weeks in advance, and this is a really large difference being a riot representing the (unproductive) language of the unheard, and an insurrectionist plot.

I'm not saying the Capitol Hill rioters should be absolved from their actions. Those who breached the capitol violently should be charged accordingly w/ the federal crimes they violated. I personally think Trump is also responsible for inciting the angry mob, and should face the according consequences.

However, while there certainly were some riots in the summer done out of spontaneous rage, there certainly were planned events as well. For example, the Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone in Seattle, which lasted 3 weeks:

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/7/2/21310109/ch...

Also the 100 consecutive days of protest in Portland, where the federal courthouse was set on fire:

https://apnews.com/article/b57315d97dd2146c4a89b4636faa7b70 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8z0jFxOmFo&ab_channel=Bloom...

As for the peaceful protesters on Capitol Hill, I think they tend to be a bit misunderstood as well. These folks often get grouped into the extreme right, but in reality, they are moreso moderate people who face a harsh economic reality caused by the outsourcing of manufacturing jobs, the automation of jobs, and losing jobs to regulations. They also seem to be the population most affected by the Opioid epidemic. However, the left-wing media has an agenda that is increasingly focused on identity politics, and not the economic realities that they face. Instead, these folks are constantly painted as racist, uncultured, and extreme by the left-wing media. So lots of them are left with no choice but to support Trump in spite of his delusions, not for them. So I personally don't paint the entirety of the MAGA crowd as the enemy; many are reluctant supporters.

But again, the insurrectionists and the violent protesters at Capitol Hill should be punished. But for sake of consistency, perhaps we should also be also outraged at the riots that occurred this past summer, especially the ones that caused loss of life and/or damaged government buildings?

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