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Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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Post by UnitingFolks »

trustfundbaby wrote: post #279

I was on the fence about this, but reading the comments convinced me it was the absolute right decision. The fact that all these institutions just allowed this horrible hateful speech for four years, in the name of free speech etc, despite all the harassment, harm (mental and otherwise) it caused to so many people in America actually emboldened so many to the extent that now that they crossed this invisible line, the…

Not from US but my opinion, we need more powerful communication tool than that exists today.

Usually it is recommended that for complex and emotional content email/text communication is not good. It should be done in person. In social media complex/emotional things are being discussed in text form which causes more rift. So we need better tools video/animation/pictures to discuss things that are being discussed in social media. These better tools should be easy to use for common person to use and communicate.

I think banning things temporarily to finish Biden take presidency seems OK to me. But banning permanently means we are failing with arguments to win over people.

Opposing violence permanently seems OK to me, but then a law should be made for it and not left for individual company.

It will be also good to have a tool, which for any argument gives all the assumption being made. Such a tool can also help in communicating better.

In short we need better communication tools and better laws.

Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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Post by throwitaway1235 »

Does Russia or China host any payment processors? That would be my advice to Republicans or anyone who wishes to dissent against the liberal Western order.

It's going to be impossible to rely on American corporations to serve you if your opinion goes against ruling consensus.

Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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Post by riffnote »

systemvoltage wrote: post #481
npunt wrote: post #454

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your point about the 'invisible line' is astute. We're in a crisis of perception and reality right now, and this has caused many to lose sight of the very real lines that we have agreed upon to preserve society and democracy. I think the other important factor here is we are in a very vulnerable moment right now because we are in the midst of a transition of power. It takes time to transfer the apparatus and operatio…

I am also worried. It feels like Big Tech flourished in last 4 years with advertisement revenue while staying hush about these issues, but all of a sudden they have an epiphany now. Big Tech leaders are selfish, cowards, clueless and just as vulnerable as the government leaders. They were interested in milking billions in Ads from these hate speech, particularly Twitter. If I were employees at these big companies, I…

Stripe profited by the sensationalism and hate Trump generated over the last four years and now, at the end of his presidency, they finally pull the plug? I see nothing laudable here.

Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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Post by ashtonkem »

hogFeast wrote: post #294
djakaitis wrote: post #40

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I wonder if during world war 2 people opposed fighting nazis like this...

Yes, they were. In the UK, there was fairly consistent opposition to fighting the Nazis. Even after France was overrun, there was a fairly large minority in the UK saying that the UK should surrender and ally with Germany (some of these were right-wing, some of them were not). In the US, unsurprisingly given the huge number of German migrants to the US, there was fairly unanimous opposition which is why the US joined…

It's also worth pointing out that a lot of Nazi ideas about race and social organization came from America. Not all, but enough to make most modern Americans uncomfortable. America had a sizable Nazi party, and eugenics was a hugely popular movement before the Nazis really highlighted the severe downsides of that ideology.

America also turned away a lot of Jewish refugees for similar reasons. Most of the ended up victims of the Holocaust. It's only after the war that the "we had to fight this great, singular evil" emerged.

Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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Post by bufferout »

chrissnell wrote: post #82
sacks2k wrote: post #26

The people cheering this on will not be protected when the mob comes for you. We live in a digital age. If having the wrong opinion means you can get your bank accounts and all Internet presence removed from you, it's not any different than living under a fascist government.

There was a time when the tech community fought ferociously against corporations and government attempts to censor and silence ideas. In its early years, Slashdot was ardently libertarian, as were most of the engineers I worked with. Can you imagine 1997 Slashdot’s reaction to something like Apple removing Parler from the App Store? There would be protests, DDoSes, editorials from thought leaders, and more. I feel ve…

"It's hard to reason with someone waving a confederate flag in your face"

Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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Post by im3w1l »

na85 wrote: post #189
klaudius wrote: post #162

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You could look at countries as being part of a market. If one country decides to ban your speech, you just move to another one, right? But that's not how it works because switching countries is very difficult. We demand free speech from a government even if we theoretically have the option to move. If you have a colluding oligopoly in something crucial to do business such as payments or communication, where it's diff…

Switching online payment providers isn't like moving to a new country, even a little bit.

I would honestly and sincerely rather do a year in prison then get permabanned by all of big tech.

Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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Post by BoorishBears »

systemvoltage wrote: post #481
npunt wrote: post #454

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your point about the 'invisible line' is astute. We're in a crisis of perception and reality right now, and this has caused many to lose sight of the very real lines that we have agreed upon to preserve society and democracy. I think the other important factor here is we are in a very vulnerable moment right now because we are in the midst of a transition of power. It takes time to transfer the apparatus and operatio…

I am also worried. It feels like Big Tech flourished in last 4 years with advertisement revenue while staying hush about these issues, but all of a sudden they have an epiphany now. Big Tech leaders are selfish, cowards, clueless and just as vulnerable as the government leaders. They were interested in milking billions in Ads from these hate speech, particularly Twitter. If I were employees at these big companies, I…

> What changed? The US Capitol riots is the specific moment that made them all wake up?

Why shouldn't it be?

For 4 years they said "we won't suspend a sitting president because we recognize our role in society but once Trump's not sitting he's fair game for bans"

I mean POTUS threatened nuclear war on their _social media platform_ and they let it go...

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It's quite simple, allowing sitting POTUS special privileges was a means to avoid limiting the reach of the American leadership to its people.

Well now Trump's a lame duck, and he was abusing the sitting president loophole to turn social media into a lightning rod for groups like the one that stormed the Capitol...

The math must have been very simple for them: give him 12? more days of increasing unhinged antics when he's already supposed to have started transitioning power... or don't.

tl;dr: It's no conspiracy that he was deplatformed right before the end of his term, the combination of the Capitol attack being triggered by him and the fact he was already on his way out was all it took.

You ascribe the timing part to greed, but it's even more easily easily ascribed to not wanting to censor the POTUS if possible while they're in power...

Donald Trump didn't suddenly become less profitable to Twitter after the Capitol attack, if anything he would have been more profitable. Note his "usual" account isn't even the POTUS handle, so it wouldn't have been affected by Biden's take over.

Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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Post by throwitaway1235 »

standardUser wrote: post #497
TearsInTheRain wrote: post #447

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> Convincing people who don't understand very well their rights, democracy, civics, and etc that their RIGHTS were being infringed; by others exercising their rights. I dont think we need to infantilize Trump supporters. They are capable of evaluating claims made by the GOP.

We've seen poll after poll for a couple decades showing that Fox News viewers have a weaker grip on the facts than other news consumers. And we've seen that the conservative movement in the US will cling to ideas that aren't embraced by any other major parties in the Western world. And that most Republicans will accept a lie like "the steal" with no evidence, and even despite ample evidence to the contrary. I don't w…

+ 1 trillion reddit gold.

Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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Post by cocktailpeanuts »

Acrobatic_Road wrote: post #351
ketamine__ wrote: post #334

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A million ways that look like money laundering. Are they going to tell Coinbase that the 10 million they are withdrawing is from the local laundromat?

Nah, you got to be clever. Tell Coinbase your CryptoKitty "sold" to an anonymous buyer for $10M. https://thenextweb.com/hardfork/2018/09/05/most-expensive-cr...

These things don't work anymore. They recently passed a law that says all exchanges must report everything that flows through them, and that's just the beginning. If you think those cute stories like selling virtual cats to an anon will work in the future, you're being naive. The government has made it clear what their intent is. They will be regulating crypto circulation through on/off ramps, and every user of those exchanges must do KYC and report where they spent their money. If they do things like what you said, it will now legally be classified as money laundering.

Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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Post by Triv888 »

trustfundbaby wrote: post #279

I was on the fence about this, but reading the comments convinced me it was the absolute right decision. The fact that all these institutions just allowed this horrible hateful speech for four years, in the name of free speech etc, despite all the harassment, harm (mental and otherwise) it caused to so many people in America actually emboldened so many to the extent that now that they crossed this invisible line, the…

The world is backward... my friends that are poor vote republicans and the companies that benefit from the republicans shit on them.
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