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Re: Cabal: A peer-to-peer, off-grid, community-first, hackable chat platform

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Post by monoideism »

deeviant wrote: post #34
bastard_op wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My thoughts exactly, the Donald Chumps will take this up. Good news: Massive influx of users. Bad news: It's all American Fascists looking to hold hands. Saving grace is most are probably too stupid to read hacker news.

Don't be so sure. Trump-Qanon supporters seem to be pretty common around here. They were very active in the "Trump banned from twitter" post. Doesn't surprise me as (Trump|QAnon)'ism seems to be very inviting to the tech bro culture.

If QAnon is truly "pretty common" on HN, then I'm sure you could easily point out, say, 3-4 QAnon posts on here from the past week.

That should be easy if QAnon is common on HN, right?

Re: Cabal: A peer-to-peer, off-grid, community-first, hackable chat platform

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Post by jv22222 »

nostromo wrote: post #241
jv22222 wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My clarification was just to try to bring clarity to the discussion because a lot of times (as seen in the thread) there is some confusion. I’m curious how what you just said translates into real world application? Not trying to argue I am genuinely interested to hear more!

Sure thing, here's a real world application: Let's say an Amazon warehouse worker speaks with the local newspaper about unsafe work conditions. Amazon decides to fire him for this. Was this a violation of the first amendment? No. Was this a violation of the principle of freedom of speech? Maybe. Saying, "well this wasn't protected by the first amendment, so this is a non-issue" wouldn't be fair. Yes, it's not a first…

Thanks!

This article helped me wrap my head around what you just said:

https://journals.openedition.org/revdh/2680

> Hence free speech initially drove whistleblowing protection, and whilst it has been irrelevant for establishing whistleblowing protection, free speech is still driving whistleblower protection.

Re: Cabal: A peer-to-peer, off-grid, community-first, hackable chat platform

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Post by clarkmoody »

snowflake_ptr wrote: post #200
ReactiveJelly wrote: post #128

Checked the FAQ. Downside: It doesn't support Tor and they don't seem to have any plan for that. So it's trusted-friends-only, IPs are always visible. Which is pointless for me, as a person trying to build healthy online friendships from behind Tor. Upside: I was afraid it's a reaction to Parler being deplatformed. And then I thought maybe it was a side-project of Urbit. But looking at the Values page: "No nazis, no…

> or anyone friendly with them This is disgusting - it implies that you should pick and choose your friends based on political affiliation, which not only is extremely (and intentionally) divisive, but also provides no room for guiding these individuals back to a more moderate political stance. Without being friends (or at least interacting with) with those who have been ostracized by society, how, exactly, do you pr…

We're dealing with a religion at this point. Those with wrongthink in their heads cannot be brought back to the light. They are heretics and deserve punishment.

Re: Cabal: A peer-to-peer, off-grid, community-first, hackable chat platform

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Post by oh_sigh »

hackmiester wrote: post #256
userbinator wrote: post #252

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This new trend in identity politics is more disturbing than anything the left or right has done.

I love the idea of a site that doesn't give Nazis a voice. This is apparently somehow a controversial idea. It is becoming exhausting.

That's a pretty Nazi thing to say. Dang - shut this site down!

Re: Cabal: A peer-to-peer, off-grid, community-first, hackable chat platform

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Post by fulafel »

hu3 wrote: post #17
qorrect wrote: post #11

I still don't know what's wrong with IRC.

Different goals. IRC needs a central server. This is peer-to-peer.

IRC servers are peer to peer, so it's a kind of archipelago architecture. But they trust each other so it has to be coordinated and built on trusted relationships.

Re: Cabal: A peer-to-peer, off-grid, community-first, hackable chat platform

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Post by BugsJustFindMe »

wernercd wrote: post #260
hackmiester wrote: post #256

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I love the idea of a site that doesn't give Nazis a voice. This is apparently somehow a controversial idea. It is becoming exhausting.

The problem is it give approved extremists a voice while bragging about not giving unapproved extremists a voice. That should be controversial.

I'm trying to understand how to channel what you said. Are you saying that being extremely against Nazis is bad because being extremely anything is bad and we should only have non-extreme feelings?

Re: Cabal: A peer-to-peer, off-grid, community-first, hackable chat platform

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Post by Thorentis »

ReactiveJelly wrote: post #128

Checked the FAQ. Downside: It doesn't support Tor and they don't seem to have any plan for that. So it's trusted-friends-only, IPs are always visible. Which is pointless for me, as a person trying to build healthy online friendships from behind Tor. Upside: I was afraid it's a reaction to Parler being deplatformed. And then I thought maybe it was a side-project of Urbit. But looking at the Values page: "No nazis, no…

What part of "peer-to-peer" and "off-grid" is made better by allowing a third party to choose which people can and cannot use the platform?

You can't have your cake and eat it too. Either you build a fully decentralised platform where humans self-moderate by selecting which communities they participate in, or you create a walled garden that you moderate but that becomes more centralised when you do so.

Re: Cabal: A peer-to-peer, off-grid, community-first, hackable chat platform

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Post by DeadReckoning »

ReactiveJelly wrote: post #128

Checked the FAQ. Downside: It doesn't support Tor and they don't seem to have any plan for that. So it's trusted-friends-only, IPs are always visible. Which is pointless for me, as a person trying to build healthy online friendships from behind Tor. Upside: I was afraid it's a reaction to Parler being deplatformed. And then I thought maybe it was a side-project of Urbit. But looking at the Values page: "No nazis, no…

Why would anyone care about using a p2p nonstandard messenger except for free speech? This app implies it will moderate certain groups. If you’re saying something uncontroversial you can just use a bigtech app.

Re: Cabal: A peer-to-peer, off-grid, community-first, hackable chat platform

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Post by Thorentis »

hackmiester wrote: post #256
userbinator wrote: post #252

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This new trend in identity politics is more disturbing than anything the left or right has done.

I love the idea of a site that doesn't give Nazis a voice. This is apparently somehow a controversial idea. It is becoming exhausting.

All Nazi books should be burnt since we don't want certain information existing in the world. I actually think rounding up all Nazis and putting them in labor camps might be okay. Heck, what about actually killing nazis? Is there some kind of political idealogy where taking these actions against minorities is supported and allowed?
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