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Re: Cabal: A peer-to-peer, off-grid, community-first, hackable chat platform

#251

Post by Aeolun » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 3:44 AM UTC

generalizations wrote: post #249

snowflake_ptr wrote: post #200

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> or anyone friendly with them This is disgusting - it implies that you should pick and choose your friends based on political affiliation, which not only is extremely (and intentionally) divisive, but also provides no room for guiding these individuals back to a more moderate political stance. Without being friends (or at least interacting with) with those who have been ostracized by society, how, exactly, do you pr…

> pick and choose your friends based on political affiliation I think this is the saddest part of what's been happening recently. We don't need to separate ourselves from people with different viewpoints. I'm lucky enough to be friends with people on the left and the right, but I think that's only because we stay away from politics. In fact, it's something that used to be a Christian ideal - to be able to maintain a…

I don’t distance myself from people with a different opinion. I distance myself from people that have a different opinion for the wrong reasons.

Re: Cabal: A peer-to-peer, off-grid, community-first, hackable chat platform

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Post by userbinator » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 3:57 AM UTC

ReactiveJelly wrote: post #128

Checked the FAQ. Downside: It doesn't support Tor and they don't seem to have any plan for that. So it's trusted-friends-only, IPs are always visible. Which is pointless for me, as a person trying to build healthy online friendships from behind Tor. Upside: I was afraid it's a reaction to Parler being deplatformed. And then I thought maybe it was a side-project of Urbit. But looking at the Values page: "No nazis, no…

This new trend in identity politics is more disturbing than anything the left or right has done.

Re: Cabal: A peer-to-peer, off-grid, community-first, hackable chat platform

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 4:00 AM UTC

dr_kiszonka wrote: post #183

I wish they excluded extremes on both sides of the spectrum. Otherwise, it makes Cabal seem like a Parler for the extreme left. (Maybe it is not; I know nothing about people behind Cabal.)

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Re: Cabal: A peer-to-peer, off-grid, community-first, hackable chat platform

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Post by generalizations » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 4:16 AM UTC

Aeolun wrote: post #251

generalizations wrote: post #249

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> pick and choose your friends based on political affiliation I think this is the saddest part of what's been happening recently. We don't need to separate ourselves from people with different viewpoints. I'm lucky enough to be friends with people on the left and the right, but I think that's only because we stay away from politics. In fact, it's something that used to be a Christian ideal - to be able to maintain a…

I don’t distance myself from people with a different opinion. I distance myself from people that have a different opinion for the wrong reasons.

Is there a difference? The reasons we hold our opinions are fundamentally just another set of opinions. Unless you're talking about something more fundamental - in that case, yes, we can still be friends when our first principles are opposed. It's just harder.

I think it comes down to just how tolerant we're willing to be. It's easy to be tolerant when the stakes are low; who cares if someone is doing something somewhere else that makes us uncomfortable? The Christian ideal is to be tolerant of someone who is actively doing us harm.

Re: Cabal: A peer-to-peer, off-grid, community-first, hackable chat platform

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 4:25 AM UTC

djtriptych wrote: post #250

WClayFerguson wrote: post #106

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If you want the best Web App in the world take my codebase (quanta.wiki) and built on top of it. The whole thing is a simple tree structure, on MongoDB, using a 'path-based' tree so you don't even have to learn a specific relational database structuring, and you can put something else on the back end to replace MongoDB. If you like Java+TypeScript+React then I've given you a 250,000 loc head start.

LOL the best web app in the world according to who?

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Re: Cabal: A peer-to-peer, off-grid, community-first, hackable chat platform

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Post by hackmiester » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 4:34 AM UTC

userbinator wrote: post #252

ReactiveJelly wrote: post #128

Checked the FAQ. Downside: It doesn't support Tor and they don't seem to have any plan for that. So it's trusted-friends-only, IPs are always visible. Which is pointless for me, as a person trying to build healthy online friendships from behind Tor. Upside: I was afraid it's a reaction to Parler being deplatformed. And then I thought maybe it was a side-project of Urbit. But looking at the Values page: "No nazis, no…

This new trend in identity politics is more disturbing than anything the left or right has done.

I love the idea of a site that doesn't give Nazis a voice. This is apparently somehow a controversial idea. It is becoming exhausting.

Re: Cabal: A peer-to-peer, off-grid, community-first, hackable chat platform

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Post by WClayFerguson » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 4:36 AM UTC

djtriptych wrote: post #250

WClayFerguson wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you want the best Web App in the world take my codebase (quanta.wiki) and built on top of it. The whole thing is a simple tree structure, on MongoDB, using a 'path-based' tree so you don't even have to learn a specific relational database structuring, and you can put something else on the back end to replace MongoDB. If you like Java+TypeScript+React then I've given you a 250,000 loc head start.

LOL the best web app in the world according to who?

The User Guide and screencasts only show about 10% of the functionality, so you really don't have any way to judge it, but you can still guess can't you.

Re: Cabal: A peer-to-peer, off-grid, community-first, hackable chat platform

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Post by hackmiester » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 4:37 AM UTC

torstenvl wrote: post #226

t0astbread wrote: post #220

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Without getting into JK Rowling, a site that has the technical means to but willfully ignores transphobia or homophobia certainly is not "cool".

It isn't transphobia to object to female erasure. Not every women's issue is also a trans women's issue, and it's sexist to insist otherwise.

How can it be sexist to compare the issues of 2 groups of women?

Re: Cabal: A peer-to-peer, off-grid, community-first, hackable chat platform

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Post by wernercd » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 4:53 AM UTC

ALittleLight wrote: post #246

m1sta_ wrote: post #197

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Obvious conclusion since everything that isn't far-right is far-left. /s

One problem is that if you're not on the extremes, why do you need a new p2p chat app? If I have mainstream opinions then mainstream apps probably work just fine.

Not being supportive of blatant censorship is a pretty good reason for normal people

Re: Cabal: A peer-to-peer, off-grid, community-first, hackable chat platform

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Post by wernercd » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 4:55 AM UTC

hackmiester wrote: post #256

userbinator wrote: post #252

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This new trend in identity politics is more disturbing than anything the left or right has done.

I love the idea of a site that doesn't give Nazis a voice. This is apparently somehow a controversial idea. It is becoming exhausting.

The problem is it give approved extremists a voice while bragging about not giving unapproved extremists a voice.

That should be controversial.