YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel • Hacker News Board

Re: YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel

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Post by newacct00 » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 4:03 AM UTC

camhart wrote: post #228

e40 wrote: post #21

The lies are 100% of the reason the capital riot happened, so yes, they do need to stop. Fox News lies every single day. What do we expect from a population of people that only hear these lies, day in and day out? They're going to react just like they did on 1/6.

Both sides have media working for them. Both are bias. https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/media-bias-ratings The issue is people only ever consuming one side.

No, no, no. I literally made an account to comment on how wrong this is. Both sides are biased ignores the little matter of degree. One side is completely unmoored from reality in a way that the other simply isn’t. One side promotes conspiracy theories and lies from the top down.

Both sides is a way to make yourself feel smart without critically examining on a deeper level what those biases are, how widely they’re consumed, and how seriously they’re taken.

Re: YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel

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Post by Talanes » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 4:05 AM UTC

nprz wrote: post #230

dboreham wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, they're pissed off due to whatever in their psychology. However, they're choosing to resort to violence due to lies being spread by Fox News et al. Other people were rioting due to truth about police actions. While all rioting is to be condemned, there isn't some symmetry between a scenario driven by lies and one driven by truth.

As Chomsky[0] I think rightly points out, the suffering and grievances of trump supporters is real, but unfortunately they are unable to correctly identify the cause of their suffering. Evidence seems to support this as deaths of despair have been climbing over the past few decades[1]. This is something I rarely see mentioned in left news outlets, instead we are told trump supporters are only motivated by racial hatr…

Yes, very few people are motivated BY racial hatred, far more can be motivated TO racial hatred.

Re: YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel

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Post by GavinMcG » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 4:08 AM UTC

phkahler wrote: post #238

maroonblazer wrote: post #217

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False equivalence. Looting commercial districts (while objectionable) is not the same as falsely claiming a federal election was stolen and looting the Capital.

OK. The dems ran around for 3 years claiming the Russians somehow handed Trump the 2016 election.

"We found irrefutable evidence of Russian meddling." - Senator Marco Rubio, R-FL, U.S. Senate Select Committee on Intelligence Chair

https://www.rubio.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/2020/8/rubio-s...

Re: YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel

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Post by Talanes » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 4:08 AM UTC

camhart wrote: post #228

e40 wrote: post #21

The lies are 100% of the reason the capital riot happened, so yes, they do need to stop. Fox News lies every single day. What do we expect from a population of people that only hear these lies, day in and day out? They're going to react just like they did on 1/6.

Both sides have media working for them. Both are bias. https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/media-bias-ratings The issue is people only ever consuming one side.

The "Left" side of that chart is generously "Center" and less generously "Leans Right."

Re: YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel

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Post by pmiller2 » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 4:08 AM UTC

donatj wrote: post #160

dboreham wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, they're pissed off due to whatever in their psychology. However, they're choosing to resort to violence due to lies being spread by Fox News et al. Other people were rioting due to truth about police actions. While all rioting is to be condemned, there isn't some symmetry between a scenario driven by lies and one driven by truth.

MLK said that violence was the language of the unheard. The silenced will turn to violence. That's not surprising in the least.

Oh, please. The people who elected the man who was President for the past 4 years are "the unheard?"

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Post by na85 » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 4:09 AM UTC

fphhotchips wrote: post #213

hombre_fatal wrote: post #196

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Not all of us think these events are unimportant minutiae to be glossed over by rendering a sphere on a quad.

Does this gratify anyone's intellectual curiosity though? Ie. Is it on-topic for HN? I don't get to make that decision, but I do think the bar for US Politics Article #5046 should be higher than "rendering a square on a quad". A good analysis article around _why_ technology companies are moving in one direction on moderation policy at once? Yes. Excellent. As-it-happens news articles? Ehhh. Not as much. There are oth…

There is a lot of truly vapid shit that has made it to the front page, and every time there's a person claiming it's off topic, and another claiming it's on topic.

Republicans getting their just desserts as viewed through the lens of the new normal of social media content policy sure gratifies my intellectual curiosity, for what it's worth.

Re: YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel

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Post by nelsondev » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 4:09 AM UTC

throwawaysea wrote: post #97

dieortin wrote: post #81

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You say it like “getting caught in the moment” and assaulting the Capitol is something completely reasonable that anyone in that situation might do.

I don't think it is reasonable - I am just explaining the psychology of how people can get swept up in the fervor of crowds. I am fully in support of arresting all who participated. But my point is that it is not reasonable to conclude that Trump's speech incited people to illegally invade the capitol, commit theft/vandalism, and assault officers. His speech literally had a line saying "peacefully protest". The vast…

On that note, what specifically from Trump’s speech was inciting violence? “March” != “Riot”

This is the section about marching to the Capitol.

“ And we're going to cheer on our brave senators and congressmen and women and we're probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them.

Because you'll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength and you have to be strong.

We have come to demand that Congress do the right thing and only count the electors who have been lawfully slated. Lawfully slated.

I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard. Today, we will see whether Republicans stand strong for integrity of our elections. But whether or not they stand strong for our country, our country. Our country has been under siege for a long time. Far longer than this four year period.”

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Full text of his speech (rambling and painful to read, but there was no advocating for violence: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-told-supporters-storme...

Re: YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel

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Post by kevin_thibedeau » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 4:10 AM UTC

greesil wrote: post #162

disown wrote: post #19

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A stronger element of the power structure is silencing another. It's simple as that. Look at the relentless pro-censorship brigading on most social media. Lots of money, power and influence is being applied here. If this was china or russia, we'd call it a soft "purge". They'd call it promoting "harmony" or "protecting the people". Not sure what we are going to call it. Seems like whatever battle Trump and his factio…

Have you considered that it's not brigading, but a broad swathe of unrelated people genuinely feeling a certain way?

A broad swathe of unrelated people systematically manipulated into feeling a certain way. This has been going on since Bush 2.0's 8 years of assault on the truth.

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Post by driverdan » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 4:10 AM UTC

lsh123 wrote: post #126

dang wrote: post #109

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We've banned this account for abusing HN with ideological flamewar and ignoring our many requests to stop. We ban accounts that do that, regardless of which ideology they're for or against. We especially ban accounts that have been using HN primarily for that, as yours has. That's a key indicator of bad-faith use of the site, and is obviously against the rules. When this came up yesterday, someone raised the common o…

Dang, I grew up in Soviet Union and what I see in the last couple days looks exactly like communists doing in 30s (removing unwanted people from photos, firing from work, kids betraying their parents to authority, etc). While I don’t know the history of this account, I don’t think this comparison is far fetched and it is way closer than I thought I will ever see after coming to US 20 something years ago.

I downvoted you because it's ridiculous to compare what companies do to what a state does. Private companies do not have the option of disappearing you. Your rights are between you and the state, not you and a company.

Until the companies being discussed have the right to use force against you your argument holds no water.

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Post by sibeliuss » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 4:10 AM UTC

blisterpeanuts wrote: post #102

univalent wrote: post #17

Should have banned him after the 'heads on pikes' comment. Late as usual.

And should Maxine Waters have been banned after she exhorted her followers to harass Republicans? "Let’s make sure we show up wherever we have to show up. If you see anybody from that cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and you create a crowd, and you push back on them, and you tell them they’re not welcome anymore, anywhere." What kind of civilized person would advocate…

Perhaps because there's a long-term pattern to Bannon's behavior?