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Stanford pulls plug on the return of freshmen and sophomores to campus

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Re: Stanford pulls plug on the return of freshmen and sophomores to campus

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How are you covid conspiracy blatherers still active. What do you get out of this?

That they show up on a site of otherwise reasonably intelligent readers (HN) baffles me most.

I think some elements of the "I'm an engineer, this is numbers, I can do numbers, I can do this"-itis seems to flair up quite a lot on HN in particular because it self-selects a certain type of person.

I do like it here but it really makes me laugh sometimes.

Re: Stanford pulls plug on the return of freshmen and sophomores to campus

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Kept dorms open during Spanish flu but alas covid is n=1

How are you covid conspiracy blatherers still active. What do you get out of this?

The CFR of COVID is less than 0.5%, and in the opinion of many wouldn't be worth the destructive shut-downs even if those shut-downs had the effect of preventing COVID deaths.

Re: Stanford pulls plug on the return of freshmen and sophomores to campus

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Stanford frosh (freshman) here. What's disappointing about this is not _that_ they cancelled — most of my friends agree that it's the prudent thing to do — but that they waited so long to cancel. For context, classes start tomorrow [0]. One of my friends literally got the news about the cancellation when he landed in SFO yesterday. Just a few weeks ago, they sent us an email reaffirming their plan to bring us back, y…

One factor they might have been considering: it does seem like these covid spikes reach a point, and then calm down. They might have hoped the top of the peak would have come earlier, and they might have been able to announce that it were safe to return. For example, if Cali had peaked a week ago, by the time y'all were set to move in, it would have been relatively safe.

It's all about the Benjamins. If they gave students enough forewarning they could pursue other options.

Re: Stanford pulls plug on the return of freshmen and sophomores to campus

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Stanford frosh (freshman) here. What's disappointing about this is not _that_ they cancelled — most of my friends agree that it's the prudent thing to do — but that they waited so long to cancel. For context, classes start tomorrow [0]. One of my friends literally got the news about the cancellation when he landed in SFO yesterday. Just a few weeks ago, they sent us an email reaffirming their plan to bring us back, y…

It's really unfortunately that you're getting whipsawed like this. With more warning you'd more easily be able to pursue internships or other opportunities. Out of curiosity, would you have been able to take the semester off had you known several weeks ago, vs now?

For context, the number of daily covid-19 cases has roughly doubled in Santa Clara and San Mateo Counties over the last few weeks. That growth I imagine is the reason why the University administration pulled the plug :(

Re: Stanford pulls plug on the return of freshmen and sophomores to campus

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Stanford frosh (freshman) here. What's disappointing about this is not _that_ they cancelled — most of my friends agree that it's the prudent thing to do — but that they waited so long to cancel. For context, classes start tomorrow [0]. One of my friends literally got the news about the cancellation when he landed in SFO yesterday. Just a few weeks ago, they sent us an email reaffirming their plan to bring us back, y…

It's really unfortunately that you're getting whipsawed like this. With more warning you'd more easily be able to pursue internships or other opportunities. Out of curiosity, would you have been able to take the semester off had you known several weeks ago, vs now? For context, the number of daily covid-19 cases has roughly doubled in Santa Clara and San Mateo Counties over the last few weeks. That growth I imagine i…

That would make sense —- I was looking at California all together. Edited my parent comment to address this.

Re: Stanford pulls plug on the return of freshmen and sophomores to campus

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Kept dorms open during Spanish flu but alas covid is n=1

How are you covid conspiracy blatherers still active. What do you get out of this?

2017 flu season: 45 million infections, 61k deaths

2017 death rate: 0.14%

2020 covid: 91 million infections (as of dec 11 2020), 294,535 deaths (as of dec 12 2020)

2020 death rate: 0.32%

Covid is about 2-3 times as bad a bad flu season. The vast, vast majority of people under 60 do not die. There is no reason to shut everything down and ruin businesses, the economy and people's lives. Yes people will die. People die from coal plants, cars, pollution, and many other things that we do not shut everything down for.

"Early data from COVID-NET suggest that COVID-19–associated hospitalizations in the United States are highest among older adults, and nearly 90% of persons hospitalized have one or more underlying medical conditions."

People in this thread: "I just wasted a year of my life not being able to interact with people so for sunk cost this covid stuff must be really bad"

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden-averted/2017-2018.htm

https://archive.is/knguz

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/burd...

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6915e3.htm

Re: Stanford pulls plug on the return of freshmen and sophomores to campus

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How are you covid conspiracy blatherers still active. What do you get out of this?

The CFR of COVID is less than 0.5%, and in the opinion of many wouldn't be worth the destructive shut-downs even if those shut-downs had the effect of preventing COVID deaths.

> The CFR of COVID is less than 0.5

The CFR of COVID—and everything else that might be require ICU care—goes way up when hospitals are overwhelmed because the infection rate isn't controlled. CFR isn't a constant.

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