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Re: Element – All-in-one secure chat app for teams, friends and organisations

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Post by neuland »

iotku wrote: post #34
Steltek wrote: post #21

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Probably the gold rush for decentralized, censorship-resistant platforms for the Right to jump to. This is bad for any mainstream ambitions by the Matrix team. If it becomes the next Gab/Parler, normal people will avoid being associated with it. I know this association would absolutely sink my friends exploring the platform further while we're exploring alternatives for when Google Hangouts is decommissioned.

>If it becomes the next Gab/Parler, normal people will avoid being associated with it. Matrix's policies are pretty well enough to keep them pretty far out of contention for such a comparison https://matrix.org/legal/code-of-conduct#definitions > I know this association would absolutely sink my friends exploring the platform further while we're exploring alternatives for when Google Hangouts is decommissioned. Should…

How do they enforce the code of conduct on E2E encrypted rooms?

Re: Element – All-in-one secure chat app for teams, friends and organisations

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Post by kitkat_new »

johnchristopher wrote: post #95
kitkat_new wrote: post #82

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are you talking about the gray shield?

I am talking about the insecure session red warnings in the room details and the notices aside messages of untrusted/unverified/forgotten session.

you shouldn't see any of those unless you verify one of your friends; or you mess up your own devices

Re: Element – All-in-one secure chat app for teams, friends and organisations

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Post by remirk »

johnchristopher wrote: post #95
kitkat_new wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

are you talking about the gray shield?

I am talking about the insecure session red warnings in the room details and the notices aside messages of untrusted/unverified/forgotten session.

That is only the case when you have verified your friends keys (by qr code or emoji string).

When one of your friends account is hijacked and has someone snooping on messages, you'd want to know that.

Though I see it might be confusing at first for users to understand that they have to sign their devices. Currently, you have to login with a username/password and afterwards (optionaly) get one of your other devices to sign your new device. Which the UI does clearly ask you to do though.

Re: Element – All-in-one secure chat app for teams, friends and organisations

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Post by remirk »

stonesweep wrote: post #12

Browsing f-droid recently, I found 2 other clients (second one based on Element codebase) also being actively developed: https://syphon.org/ https://schildi.chat/

Big fan of SchildiChat on Android! It's Element but with patches to give it extra optional features like chat bubbles and an (experimental) mode which hides 'complex' features nontechnical users might find confusing.

Re: Element – All-in-one secure chat app for teams, friends and organisations

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Post by remirk »

INTPenis wrote: post #2

Maybe. Not very good PR when matrix.org is having massive performance issues all the time. What fascinates me the most about matrix is that an org could setup their own federation bubble. Like a big game company would setup a new synapse instance for each studio they purchase and just federate them all together for a sort of DIY MS Teams alternative.

Yeah, though the performance issues are getting (much) better now that the server software Synapse has more options for scaling.

Here's a blog post with the changes they made: https://matrix.org/blog/2020/11/03/how-we-fixed-synapses-sca...

Re: Element – All-in-one secure chat app for teams, friends and organisations

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Post by jszymborski »

gary-kim wrote: post #72
jszymborski wrote: post #52

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Would anyone be familiar as to how to regularly purge metadata (or even message history) from homeservers? I run my own server and don't need my message history to live forever there.

Set the retention policy setting on your homeserver (I'm assuming you're using Synapse): https://github.com/matrix-org/synapse/blob/bce0c91d9a89097c9... I also have mine set up though without a default_policy so I can have the server forget stuff in my bot control rooms cause they get cluttered with useless stuff pretty fast.

Thanks so much! I’m also running a lot of bots so this’ll be particularly useful.

Re: Element – All-in-one secure chat app for teams, friends and organisations

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Post by m-p-3 »

suyash wrote: post #84
kitkat_new wrote: post #71

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how so?

look at the setup steps and compare that with installing Signal app

Sure, Signal is simpler, but Matrix isn't harder than configuring a new email account on an free provider, and you still get the option of setting up your own if you want to use your own domain name.

And I hate that Signal's identity is linked to a phone number.

Re: Element – All-in-one secure chat app for teams, friends and organisations

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Post by 2Gkashmiri »

profsnuggles wrote: post #31
2Gkashmiri wrote: post #23

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I asked this in the other comment, what is your server specs and user base? Constant pain as in moderation or server breaking ?

Well I was running it on a 2GB VPS, I have since November switched to a 4GB VPS, no issues since then but it's still early days. I haven't benchmarked either VPS, the 2GB I had a single dedicated CPU core, some 3.5+ghz xenon. I didn't check what my cpu allotment was on the new VPS, it was a $65 a year black friday thing. Moderation is not an issue, I only have 5 users other than myself. Here is the last time I compla…

If that ID the case with you, what is the specs of servers running matrix.org? How can they scale so much?

Re: Element – All-in-one secure chat app for teams, friends and organisations

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Post by cush »

monopoledance wrote: post #13
agilob wrote: post #8

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It also called Vector before.

Both sound better than 'element' to me. "Comms app" isn't exactly what I expect to be 'atomic', or 'simple', either. Aaand "Element Matrix Services"? bitch, please... XD 'Element' is so un-cybery, feels dated. First association is Bam Margera and teenage skateboard consumer culture. The uncool one, lacking punk rock and attitude. Such a 2000s word. Anyway, naming things is hard and annoying, so I am glad they found s…

Riot is an awful name for any serious communication platform

Re: Element – All-in-one secure chat app for teams, friends and organisations

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Post by sundarurfriend »

feanaro wrote: post #99
sundarurfriend wrote: post #92

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Out of curiosity, why Signal and not Telegram? I don't know details about either, just that Telegram seems more popular with reportedly a better UI for non-technical people.

Apart from Telegram now having E2E encryption by default, it also invents its own weird and unverified encryption instead of using a more peer-reviewed and robust method. Signal's encryption tech has some strong guarantees and advanced the state-of-the-art when it first appeared. Worth noting that Matrix's crypto is also based on Signal's algorithm (but extended to support efficient encryption in rooms with a large n…

> Apart from Telegram now having E2E encryption by default, it also invents its own weird and unverified encryption

I was confused since the tone of that sentence sounded weird (Apart from , it also ), but I think it's a typo - I believe you meant to type "Apart from Telegram not having E2E encryption by default"?

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