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GNOME has no thumbnails in the file picker and my toilets are blocked

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Re: GNOME has no thumbnails in the file picker and my toilets are blocked

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Post by johnchristopher »

ognarb wrote: post #264
johnchristopher wrote: post #53

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It's completely true on Kubuntu 18.04. Ah ! now that I think about it I remembered a little trick https://askubuntu.com/questions/1100261/how-do-i-make-firefo... Have to try it again.

Kubuntu 18.04 is a bit too old, if I remember correctly this was implemented only recently.

I remember doing that last year, or even the year before.

Anyway, a distro released in 2018 and still supported until 2023 and 2028 for extender support can't be "a bit too old" for something like the file picker. I mean, people were making fun of me when I told them I was using that ubuntu distro that had no mp3 support by default but it was 15 years ago.

Re: GNOME has no thumbnails in the file picker and my toilets are blocked

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Post by baybal2 »

cycloptic wrote: post #334
baybal2 wrote: post #255

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> Free software development is not a democracy, and does not get driven by polls. Features and bugs are introduced by those who show up, within a community that works towards a shared goal. And it is exactly to let themselves yell that, they work hard to alienate few normal devs left in the project. I understood now that Gnome 3.0 was from the start Redhat's fully intentional attempt to appropriate the project, and i…

Please do not spread these unfounded conspiracy theories. If you are a developer and you don't agree with direction changes, you don't have to work on them, you can work in the direction of your choosing. AFAIK there are numerous forks of GNOME over the years that are still going.

> If you are a developer and you don't agree with direction changes, you don't have to work on them

I would tell the same to Poettering, Clasen, and co.

There is really nobody who obligates them to work on their "innovations" in GNOME with religious zeal if the rest of the project showed no interest, speaking lightly.

If nobody wants to work on their stuff, they can't claim "victimhood" as if that happens as a result of somebody's ill intents.

I have to reference Torvalds vs. SystemD here as an example how Sievers, Poettering, and co. instantly drew up a picture of kernel community being some kind of a bullying ring when the only thing they did to them was to ignore their (bad quality) patches.

Re: GNOME has no thumbnails in the file picker and my toilets are blocked

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Post by nerdponx »

twic wrote: post #134
nightfly wrote: post #81

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Have you looked at MATE? https://mate-desktop.org/

Or Cinnamon: https://projects.linuxmint.com/cinnamon/ I've been running Cinnamon on a few machines for years, and it mostly works fine, which for a Linux desktop is high praise. The file picker has thumbnails (although it only has a list view, so they're ant-size). I haven't used MATE. My understanding is that MATE started life as Gnome 2, whereas Cinnamon started life as Gnome 3 reskinned to look like Gnome 2. Both…

My desktop user experience with Mint Cinnamon was as close to delightful as I've ever had on Linux. All the GUI stuff worked without me having to fiddle around in the terminal like a "hacker", the UX was generally high-quality, and the default theming was pretty and consistent.

My overall impression was that it was definitely and surprisingly usable for non-technical people like my mom, grandma, etc. who don't use their computer for anything sophisticated but also don't have the time/energy/wherewithal to debug and configure things.

I can't speak highly enough about the Mint Cinnamon experience, and I recommend that everyone involved in the "Desktop Linux" world try it (at least in a VM) so they can get a sense of what "good defaults" actually look and feel like.

Re: GNOME has no thumbnails in the file picker and my toilets are blocked

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Post by city41 »

proactivesvcs wrote: post #340
city41 wrote: post #228

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Frankly I find the whole blog post silly. All OSes/software have trade offs. It's just a question of what is important to you. I'm primarily an Ubuntu user but I have one Windows machine. There are things in Windows that just flabbergast me that people put up with. And Windows users can easily say the same thing about most Linux variants.

IMO it's perfectly valid criticism in its lambasting of the bug itself as well as its vintage. When I want to upload a screenshot, photo or video to an email, an IM, a web page etc., I really do not want to send the wrong one.

I can agree with that. But I could say that about things in Windows and MacOS too. It's not like Gnome is unique in this regard. In some regards Linux is more advanced than Windows or MacOS, does that mean Windows and MacOS users are "used to mediocrity" as the article says?

As for not wanting to upload the wrong one, doesn't the file picker show a preview of the selected file? Sure, not as good as thumbnails, but it should be enough to avoid the problem.

Re: GNOME has no thumbnails in the file picker and my toilets are blocked

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Post by nl »

Spivak wrote: post #254
nl wrote: post #95

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The assumes you know the name of the random image you downloaded to insert into the document. mjx3AmQXM5OrkxV7.jpg isn't super easy to remember (as a random real example chosen from my downloads directory)

I mean nothing excuses not having thumbnail previews. That’s just stilly. I just mean the default typing action to be search rather than typing the name of the file.

Yeah ok.

I think the OP was talking in the context of saving, where searching during the "save" process seems a much less frequent occurrence than giving the name to the file you are trying to save (which presumably you have to do 100% of the time).

Re: GNOME has no thumbnails in the file picker and my toilets are blocked

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Post by tsjq »

skynet-9000 wrote: post #108

How about when you try to save a file, so you choose File Save As, change the directory, and then try to start typing the filename and it starts searching (recursively!) instead of letting you type your new filename? Even better (not), then it lands on the first matching search item and makes the filename that filename?

This is an insane bug (or feature?), drives me crazy every single time

Re: GNOME has no thumbnails in the file picker and my toilets are blocked

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Post by cycloptic »

baybal2 wrote: post #342
cycloptic wrote: post #334

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Please do not spread these unfounded conspiracy theories. If you are a developer and you don't agree with direction changes, you don't have to work on them, you can work in the direction of your choosing. AFAIK there are numerous forks of GNOME over the years that are still going.

> If you are a developer and you don't agree with direction changes, you don't have to work on them I would tell the same to Poettering, Clasen, and co. There is really nobody who obligates them to work on their "innovations" in GNOME with religious zeal if the rest of the project showed no interest, speaking lightly. If nobody wants to work on their stuff, they can't claim "victimhood" as if that happens as a result…

I would advise holding off judgement on specific individuals unless you have worked with them closely and you have a deep understanding of why certain decisions were made.

Again, if you are a developer and you disagree with someone's choices, you are free to take it in your own direction. You do not have to work on anybody else's stuff if you don't want.

Re: GNOME has no thumbnails in the file picker and my toilets are blocked

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Post by fnord123 »

There's a lot of discussion around the motivating example but the thesis is as follows:

"This is why Free desktop operating systems are a joke and haven’t been popularly adopted. It’s little things like this that add up. Why was there a Windows monopoly? I think it’s a stretch to just blame it on OEM bundling. No, it’s legit because there isn’t anything else."

The thesis is incorrect. There was Mac, OS/2, BeOS, Amiga, DEC, Solaris. It was the OEM bundling and the illegal anti competitive behaviour for which Microsoft was found guilty. This was quite plainly the reason why Microsoft became dominant on the desktop.

If it were about quality, surely everyone's favourite UX would have been dominant. But it isn't; it sits around the same usage stats as Linux.

And while bugs exist in GNOME and Gtk, I'm not personally moved by a chan board user's gripes about being unable to quickly find their favourite anime memes to post since all their images are `[1-9][0-9]*.png`

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Post by renewiltord »

Nursie wrote: post #326
renewiltord wrote: post #277

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You can solve this in hardware with a mouse with a free-wheel. My Logitech G502 lets you click a button to swap modes from free-wheel to braked-wheel.

I tried a logitech mouse with that feature, mx anywhere 2s, but you lose the mousewheel middle-click as the wheel-mode switch is a physical switch and cannot be remapped. Ended up taking it back for a refund and getting a g703 instead.

Interesting. The G502 has the middle-click on the scroll wheel and the wheel-mode is a separate one. Presumably like in your G703.

Re: GNOME has no thumbnails in the file picker and my toilets are blocked

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Post by stretchcat »

baud147258 wrote: post #286
stretchcat wrote: post #265

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This sure seems accurate to me, from what I've personally observed, but I don't understand what motive they might have. What's the point of controlling popular software by making everybody hate it?

> What's the point of controlling popular software by making everybody hate it? they'd be the only left able to offer (paid) support?

Does GNOME really bring in much paid support momey? In the past I have worked at a company that did have RHEL5 workstations with GNOME by default, but everybody I knew treated that as a joke and sshed into the workstations from their (Windows) Thinkpads or Macbooks. The desktop software on those workstations was unwanted and unused.
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