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GNOME has no thumbnails in the file picker and my toilets are blocked

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Re: GNOME has no thumbnails in the file picker and my toilets are blocked

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Post by proactivesvcs »

williamscales wrote: post #302
city41 wrote: post #285

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe the article is about showing all the files as thumbnails at once, so you can select the file more quickly. The article shows once you've selected a file it shows a preview of it to the right.

Hm, I definitely don’t have _any_ previews in the GTK filepicker. I specifically had to open the Files application just this week so I could identify which screenshot I wanted to upload in Firefox. I guess I have a different bug happening _in addition_ to what the article is talking about. Lovely.

I have zero thumbnails/previews in some of the GTK filepicker instances, but not others. Signal Desktop shows previews in a pane to the right. Thunderbird shows no previews at all.

Re: GNOME has no thumbnails in the file picker and my toilets are blocked

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Post by Renevith »

philsnow wrote: post #260
kaszanka wrote: post #240

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Yes. As you can see, this is by design.

This is in my experience emblematic of GNOME in general. I've shaken the dust off my sandals and don't use anything gnome-y if I can avoid it. Here's the thing that convinced me, a while back: https://wiki.gnome.org/Attic/GnomeScreensaver/FrequentlyAske... I'm sure there's people here who are long-time contributors and/or supporters. Just ignore me, I'm not your target audience. ... I'm really not sure who your targe…

Holy crap. It reads like a parody written by someone who read this thread and article. I was thinking it couldn't be as bad as people we're saying, but it's worse!

Re: GNOME has no thumbnails in the file picker and my toilets are blocked

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Post by spideymans »

chrisseaton wrote: post #310
spideymans wrote: post #296

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>Why completely break the existing convention? Because cutting-and-pasting is a destructive action that can lead to data loss. Under the conventional implementation of cut-and-paste, it's easy for a user to inadvertently cut-and-paste a file, when they meant to copy-and-paste said file, either through a misclick or, by hitting the wrong keyboard combination. This is because: 1. The menu option for cut is right above…

> Because cutting-and-pasting is a destructive action that can lead to data loss. Isn't this the same for all cut-and-paste? It's expected. What's special about files that mean they need special protection? Pop them in the Bin until they're pasted if you want. It's not as unfathomable as you make out.

If I accidentally cut-and-paste from a text document, the absolute worst case scenario is that I lose the contents of the text in that document. It's a bad situation, but the damage is limited and contained.

If I accidentally cut-and-paste a file or directory, the damage could be immense. Years worth of important documents, records, photos, etc... could be gone, because the user's finger slipped and pressed CTRL+X, rather than CTRL+C.

Whether or not the operating system should be protecting users in this manner is fully debatable and a matter of opinion, but Apple's approach here is definitely safer (at the cost of being a bit more annoying)

Re: GNOME has no thumbnails in the file picker and my toilets are blocked

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Post by cycloptic »

baybal2 wrote: post #255
skrap wrote: post #231

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Is this https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/-/issues/2366 ? It really bothers me as well.

> Free software development is not a democracy, and does not get driven by polls. Features and bugs are introduced by those who show up, within a community that works towards a shared goal. And it is exactly to let themselves yell that, they work hard to alienate few normal devs left in the project. I understood now that Gnome 3.0 was from the start Redhat's fully intentional attempt to appropriate the project, and i…

Please do not spread these unfounded conspiracy theories. If you are a developer and you don't agree with direction changes, you don't have to work on them, you can work in the direction of your choosing. AFAIK there are numerous forks of GNOME over the years that are still going.

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Post by proactivesvcs »

corty wrote: post #107
heavyset_go wrote: post #70

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> Firefox on KDE uses the GTK filepicker. No thumbnails. Not if you set the GTK_USE_PORTAL environment variable. $ GTK_USE_PORTAL=1 firefox The above will make Firefox use the KDE filepicker.

So they say. But I could never get that to work, with KDE/Plasma the dialog just never shows up.

I just set this up today and found that one also must install the xdg-desktop-portal and xdg-desktop-portal-kde packages. I then added GTK_USE_PORTAL=1 to .profile and relogged.

Re: GNOME has no thumbnails in the file picker and my toilets are blocked

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Post by Nursie »

whatever1 wrote: post #112

Linux was always a Terminal-first OS. The UI efforts never came close to the depth that MacOS and Windows have. Take for example the scaling issue. It has been now almost half a decade with 4k Displays, and Linux still does not know how to deal with it other than 100% or 200%. Currently Linux is unusable for anyone with a modern display. I appreciate the work that all the contributors put -for free- in projects like…

> Linux still does not know how to deal with it other than 100% or 200%.

I've been using fractional scaling for years. I had to learn how to use xrandr, but it works great. Better than windows or macos in the end, I can specify exactly what I want where.

Re: GNOME has no thumbnails in the file picker and my toilets are blocked

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Post by proactivesvcs »

p1necone wrote: post #82

Aren't there plenty of little UX niggles in macOS/windows just like this that haven't been fixed for years either? I'm not sure why this is being used as a reason why "Free desktop operating systems are a joke". I think "use KDE" is perfectly valid advice here too. The toilet analogy doesn't really hold, your satisfaction of software that works for you shouldn't be at all affected by the existence of software you don…

I can speak for Windows and say absolutely, yes. With each major version Microsoft try a new method of abstracting away the file system from the user in File Explorer and it just makes it less intuitive. One example being: the new "add recent places" feature just fills the navigation pane with garbage from system/program files areas.

There are still some keyboard navigation issues with File Explorer which can sometimes make it act in unreliable ways, there is a strange bug with system tray context menus still to this day and don't even get me started on the dumpster fire that is Windows 10's entire Start Menu design and implementation.

Re: GNOME has no thumbnails in the file picker and my toilets are blocked

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Post by chrisseaton »

spideymans wrote: post #333
chrisseaton wrote: post #310

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Because cutting-and-pasting is a destructive action that can lead to data loss. Isn't this the same for all cut-and-paste? It's expected. What's special about files that mean they need special protection? Pop them in the Bin until they're pasted if you want. It's not as unfathomable as you make out.

If I accidentally cut-and-paste from a text document, the absolute worst case scenario is that I lose the contents of the text in that document. It's a bad situation, but the damage is limited and contained. If I accidentally cut-and-paste a file or directory , the damage could be immense. Years worth of important documents, records, photos, etc... could be gone, because the user's finger slipped and pressed CTRL+X,…

Doesn't putting it in the Bin until it's pasted fix this?

And you always have undo, just as with text.

Re: GNOME has no thumbnails in the file picker and my toilets are blocked

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Post by proactivesvcs »

city41 wrote: post #228
p1necone wrote: post #82

Aren't there plenty of little UX niggles in macOS/windows just like this that haven't been fixed for years either? I'm not sure why this is being used as a reason why "Free desktop operating systems are a joke". I think "use KDE" is perfectly valid advice here too. The toilet analogy doesn't really hold, your satisfaction of software that works for you shouldn't be at all affected by the existence of software you don…

Frankly I find the whole blog post silly. All OSes/software have trade offs. It's just a question of what is important to you. I'm primarily an Ubuntu user but I have one Windows machine. There are things in Windows that just flabbergast me that people put up with. And Windows users can easily say the same thing about most Linux variants.

IMO it's perfectly valid criticism in its lambasting of the bug itself as well as its vintage. When I want to upload a screenshot, photo or video to an email, an IM, a web page etc., I really do not want to send the wrong one.
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