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The M1 MacBook Air is the best computer I've ever owned

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Re: The M1 MacBook Air is the best computer I've ever owned

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>Toe to toe? It starches every Ryzen chip in single core performance It most certainly does not. It trades blows, winning on some benchmarks and losing others. It seems a bit ahead on floating-point workloads and a bit behind on integer workloads. https://www.anandtech.com/show/16252/mac-mini-apple-m1-teste... It does simply outperform every Intel design. That's great, but not enough to make it the fastest core in th…

M1 is either first or very close to first in all the Anandtech benchmarks against CPUs using up to seven times more power.

As I said, toe to toe. The M1 and the 5950X are both clearly ahead of the Intel parts and they trade first and second place between them. On the aggregate graph (the last one on the page), you can see that the 5950x is ahead on integer workloads while the M1 is ahead on floating point. You will notice this is exactly what I said.

>using up to seven times more power.

Power efficiency is where the M1 definitely wins. It is among the best on the planet for single-threaded performance and definitely the best for efficiency.

Your 7x figure, however, is not accurate. You are comparing TDP. That is the wrong number. TDP is calculated differently by each manufacturer. It relates to how big a CPU cooler you will need to ensure the CPU never throttles to avoid overheating, not to how long your battery will last.

Take a look at the following, in particular the big black-and-green-and-red charts in the middle of the page:

https://www.anandtech.com/show/16214/amd-zen-3-ryzen-deep-di...

(Those are desktop parts. I'd obviously like to compare mobile ones, but I am not familiar with AMD's mobile lineup and there are no Zen 3 mobile parts. They'll still help make my point.)

Note that the power draw at idle (where the CPU will spend most of its time) is 10-20 watts for all these CPUs. This would be lower for mobile Ryzen parts, of course. This is the big advantage of the M1: with its big.LITTLE architecture, it will be able to shut down the big cores entirely and use vastly less power than any x86 part at idle.

Note that the power draw at 100% usage is higher than the stated TDP. The CPU can draw more power than it says on the box if the system detects it has adequate thermal headroom. It will also draw less power, even at 100% usage, if it starts getting too hot or if the user chooses to lower the TDP.

Note that the power consumption varies with the number of cores that are active, but that this relationship is nothing close to linear. A CPU can hit its peak power at a small fraction of maximum load, but performance will continue to scale all the way to maximum load. The big chips are more efficient than the small ones when both are fully loaded.

You can't just say "a chip with N times the TDP draws N times more power". The two parts will draw different amounts of power and have different efficiency tradeoffs depending on how they are used.

What, then, is the correct metric? I don't know of a single number that tells the whole story. I can tell you that the M1 is efficient both at idle and under load. I will make no effort to quantify how efficient it is other than to say TDP is irrelevant.

Re: The M1 MacBook Air is the best computer I've ever owned

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The SSD is so fast that swapping pages in and out of memory is barely noticeable until you are really cranking up the memory pressure.

I'm trying to find out how much faster than a typical PCIe4 nvme SSD, which I have on my desktop. I'm not finding anything useful. Do you haave an idea?

M1 MacBook Air: 2,190.1 MB/s write, 2,676.4 MB/s read

https://www.iphoneincanada.ca/news/m1-air-benchmark/

Re: The M1 MacBook Air is the best computer I've ever owned

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I’ve had this experience and seen many others mention it too. I always make a point when I have time to mention how I’ve solved it. If you haven’t already, try plugging the power in on the right side, and the display/any other peripherals on the left. It sounds crazy, but this has been the solution for tons of people. Apparently the heat generated by power input (even at a steady full charge) is enough to spike the s…

That seems crazy but plausible. Explains why so many people complain about it while my office and home never had issues, it's all laid out so you plug in the power on the right.

It apparently affects all of the USB-C models with ports on both sides, it’s kind of surprising to me that the workaround isn’t more well-known, and even more surprising that it’s gone so many generations without a fix (although honestly I have no idea how involved the fix would be, and it’s probably moot with Mx around the corner).

Re: The M1 MacBook Air is the best computer I've ever owned

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How about the RAM? I'm assuming that you got 16GB? I thought 8GB would be barely usable for me, but I've been pleasantly surprised. I still use my desktop for heavy enough work, but 8GB is manageable for now.

The SSD is so fast that swapping pages in and out of memory is barely noticeable until you are really cranking up the memory pressure.

Running code out of readonly mapped SSD pages is pretty compelling. I know each cell only has a finite charge that decays very slowly, can you read the same page forever without ever rewriting it and incurring wear?

Re: The M1 MacBook Air is the best computer I've ever owned

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No, it’s a rant with little to no factual support and an entire lack of perspective. Again, there is no evidence any Big Sur UI changes were to support touch screens. Bigger button areas make computers easier to use, just as bigger tap areas make mobile devices easier to use.

What kind of evidence are you seeking?

What kinds are you offering, because so far I’ve seen none but supposition.

Re: The M1 MacBook Air is the best computer I've ever owned

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Since getting my M1, I can now barely tolerate using my 2019 high-spec'ed iMac. Nearly all interactions with the UI appear to be instantaneous. I can't describe what a positive experience that is. It's cognitively very rewarding to use.

I also picked up the M1 Macbook Air, and I'm shocked at how well it performs without a fan. I had an Intel 13-inch Macbook Pro before this, and simply running, for example, a high-viewer Twitch stream with chat open in the background would heat the chassis to ridiculous levels, and blast the fan constantly. On my M1, not only is there no fan, but the unit is completely cool to the touch with all of the same applications running. I'm impressed to say the least.

Re: The M1 MacBook Air is the best computer I've ever owned

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I am no Apple fanatic. I'm a die-hard Linux user and open source proponent. I wouldn't touch the M1 with a thirty-nine and a half foot pole. But with all that said... I kind of like articles like these. I enjoy seeing people happy with good tech because I like good tech. It pleases me that there are people getting this much enjoyment out of innovative and (I'll admit it) quite impressive hardware. So rock on, Apple f…

I hope you get to experience that! My worst computer recently has been a Thinkpad running Linux, basic things like suspending the laptop when it closes just never work properly. But I'm sure the year of Linux on the desktop will come one day.

The biggest culprit for suspend issues are GPU drivers. Unfortunately, all the options suck.

Both nVidia and the AMD have buggy Linux drivers, especially regarding suspend issues.

After experiencing suspend issues with the closed-source nVidia drivers, I bought an all AMD laptop (Dell G5 SE), only to deal with even buggier open-source AMD drivers.

The Intel drivers just work, but Intel integrated GPUs are painfully slow, and using the integrated GPU makes the CPU run noticeably hotter.

That said, AMD drivers are getting more stable over time, and buying AMD is probably our best chance of improving the driver situation long-term.

Re: The M1 MacBook Air is the best computer I've ever owned

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The most interesting thing about this to me was the bit at the end about Windows and Games. I've heard of Windows emulation on Mac before but this is the first time I've heard of Parallels. > Now you can download Steam and basically install anything and it will probably work. Microsoft really did some amazing magic in getting both 32-bit and 64-bit x86 programs running on arm64. The author makes it sound like you can…

I wouldn't bet on it. Specially since his go to game is Age of Mythology. A game that came out in 2002.

Re: The M1 MacBook Air is the best computer I've ever owned

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I got the 1TB SSD. Wouldn't call that tiny. Then I have external arrays for bigger datasets. How much space would you need? IIRC they go up to 2TB or maybe even 4TB.

It's expensive and is still not upgradeable is the point.

Pretty sure Mac laptops haven’t been upgradable since 2015.

Re: The M1 MacBook Air is the best computer I've ever owned

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It's expensive and is still not upgradeable is the point.

Pretty sure Mac laptops haven’t been upgradable since 2015.

Does any laptop have any kind of upgrade path? I've always cheaped out and treated them as disposable.
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