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St. Benedict’s Rule for Monasteries (516)

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> For he is believed to hold the place of Christ in the monastery, being called by a name of His, which is taken from the words of the Apostle: “You have received a Spirit of adoption as sons, by virtue of which we cry, ‘Abba—Father!’”

In light of Matthew 23:9 [0], this practice concerns me.

[0] - “Call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven”

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post #6

"We read, it is true, that wine is by no means a drink for monks; but since the monks of our day cannot be persuaded of this, let us at least agree to drink sparingly and not to satiety, because 'wine makes even the wise fall away.'" I'm a Catholic, and this is the rule that amuses me the most. The monks were willing to give up most material possessions and submit to a life of poverty, obedience, and sexual abstinenc…

I'm sure it depended on geography and time period, but I've read that it wasn't always possible to drink water due to cholera. There may have been a necessity of mixing in at least some wine with the water, to disinfect it. Some have gone so far as to suggest that the arrival of tea from China, which required boiling the water, resulted in a bit of an intellectual boost in Europe. There were many monasteries where be…

Alcohol concentration would not be enough to kill cholera... Especially diluted. Strongest wines are usually in the 15-17% alcohol...

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"We read, it is true, that wine is by no means a drink for monks; but since the monks of our day cannot be persuaded of this, let us at least agree to drink sparingly and not to satiety, because 'wine makes even the wise fall away.'" I'm a Catholic, and this is the rule that amuses me the most. The monks were willing to give up most material possessions and submit to a life of poverty, obedience, and sexual abstinenc…

I always considered it more of a reflection on practicality. There is going to be wine around the monastery, if only because it is necessary for Mass. Therefore, you cannot really ban wine, so are you really going to dedicate a group of monks to the sole task of cellar guard duty?

the amount of wine required for the mass isn't exactly the same as what would be drunk during meals, especially as, in monasteries, not all monks are priests.

And even if wine wouldn't be banned, I think the wine would be stored under lock and key, if only to avoid consumption outside of meals

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> CHAPTER 4 > What Are the Instruments of Good Works > [...] > 63. To love chastity.

AFAIK, chastity most often refers to abstinence prior to marriage, not the exclusion of marriage.

from what I remember of my catechism, the chastity would depends on one's state (single/widower, married, cleric). So for single persons, priest, monks => abstinence, married => fidelity to the spouse

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"We read, it is true, that wine is by no means a drink for monks; but since the monks of our day cannot be persuaded of this, let us at least agree to drink sparingly and not to satiety, because 'wine makes even the wise fall away.'" I'm a Catholic, and this is the rule that amuses me the most. The monks were willing to give up most material possessions and submit to a life of poverty, obedience, and sexual abstinenc…

I'm sure it depended on geography and time period, but I've read that it wasn't always possible to drink water due to cholera. There may have been a necessity of mixing in at least some wine with the water, to disinfect it. Some have gone so far as to suggest that the arrival of tea from China, which required boiling the water, resulted in a bit of an intellectual boost in Europe. There were many monasteries where be…

Another explanation I got from a Lithuanian is that, in the past, beer was used mainly as food. This was because the millstones were flaky and so you would end up with bits of stone in flour. Not great for the dental work. If you brew beer then the bits of millstone settle to the bottom.

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post #6

"We read, it is true, that wine is by no means a drink for monks; but since the monks of our day cannot be persuaded of this, let us at least agree to drink sparingly and not to satiety, because 'wine makes even the wise fall away.'" I'm a Catholic, and this is the rule that amuses me the most. The monks were willing to give up most material possessions and submit to a life of poverty, obedience, and sexual abstinenc…

I'm sure it depended on geography and time period, but I've read that it wasn't always possible to drink water due to cholera. There may have been a necessity of mixing in at least some wine with the water, to disinfect it. Some have gone so far as to suggest that the arrival of tea from China, which required boiling the water, resulted in a bit of an intellectual boost in Europe. There were many monasteries where be…

The monasteries with businesses (beer, wine, book copying, etc) were later innovations.

The original vision for Benedict was a self-sufficient and isolated community, keeping interactions with the outside world to a minimum.

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post #31

> For he is believed to hold the place of Christ in the monastery, being called by a name of His, which is taken from the words of the Apostle: “You have received a Spirit of adoption as sons, by virtue of which we cry, ‘Abba—Father!’” In light of Matthew 23:9 [0], this practice concerns me. [0] - “Call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven”

Dr. Grant Pitre has got you covered:

> Call no man father? Do Catholics violate Jesus' command in Matthew 23? Dr. Brant Pitre examines this passage in order to explain the meaning of the command to call no man father.

* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sbl7ZarBEQ

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"We read, it is true, that wine is by no means a drink for monks; but since the monks of our day cannot be persuaded of this, let us at least agree to drink sparingly and not to satiety, because 'wine makes even the wise fall away.'" I'm a Catholic, and this is the rule that amuses me the most. The monks were willing to give up most material possessions and submit to a life of poverty, obedience, and sexual abstinenc…

I've always liked Catholic writer G.K. Chesterton's take: “Drink because you are happy, but never because you are miserable. Never drink when you are wretched without it, or you will be like the grey-faced gin-drinker in the slum; but drink when you would be happy without it, and you will be like the laughing peasant of Italy. Never drink because you need it, for this is rational drinking, and the way to death and he…

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post #6

"We read, it is true, that wine is by no means a drink for monks; but since the monks of our day cannot be persuaded of this, let us at least agree to drink sparingly and not to satiety, because 'wine makes even the wise fall away.'" I'm a Catholic, and this is the rule that amuses me the most. The monks were willing to give up most material possessions and submit to a life of poverty, obedience, and sexual abstinenc…

I've always liked Catholic writer G.K. Chesterton's take: “Drink because you are happy, but never because you are miserable. Never drink when you are wretched without it, or you will be like the grey-faced gin-drinker in the slum; but drink when you would be happy without it, and you will be like the laughing peasant of Italy. Never drink because you need it, for this is rational drinking, and the way to death and he…

Is this a good general rule for all drugs? Do them for happiness and only while happy; never when sad or for escape?
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