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Google suspending Parler from the Google Play store

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Post by tptacek »

djsumdog wrote: post #407
tracer4201 wrote: post #126

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I don’t agree. The President was just caught red handed asking Georgia to make up votes for him, and he caused an attack on the US Congress. People are actually dead because of the things he said — inciting an overthrow of the government. Even our allied governments are saying he caused the riots. You can’t say the entire world is wrong, every single human being is deep state.

> The President was just caught red handed asking Georgia to make up votes for him Did you listen to the entire phone conversation and not the 4 minute clip? That's quite not what happened. Trump laid out all his claims and was asking them to accept investigating anything that cloud make up his very narrow margin. Another fun fact about that call, it was a Settlement Call. That was literally protected by attorney/cli…

First, that's clearly not what happened; here's the transcript of the whole call, not a "4 minute clip":

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-raffensperger-...

Second, as you've now been informed (and could have verified with a simple Google search), the call was not privileged, nor was it "confidential" in the sense we ordinarily mean. Disclosing it was perfectly lawful.

Re: Google suspending Parler from the Google Play store

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Post by ayush--s »

bitstan wrote: post #352
andrewvc wrote: post #36

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If you run a social network and can’t keep up with moderation for calls for violence you shouldn’t be allowed to be in business. This goes for the big tech companies as well. “It’s hard” is not an excuse.

Chrome allows access to calls to violence.. Google fiber allows access to calls to violence.. Do you really want Google to be the morality police of devices and services you pay for? Because that's sad. It's sad how people adopt authoritarian tendencies because they disagree with people they don't understand.

owner of the content is held responsible

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Post by throwaway54095 »

valuearb wrote: post #344
post_break wrote: post #4

Wow, is this the great purge? I don’t support certain people, but man I don’t think this is going to end well. This censorship just seems crazy to me.

It’s not censorship, private businesses have the right to decide what they sell in their stores. Parlour can still distribute itself as a web app, no problem.

So then, can a restaurant refuse service, to filter what kind of customers would allow to let in, let's say on criterias like: only men, only white people, everybody but gay people? It's a private business after all. Especially if they are still available to deliver without any filter.

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Post by throwaway54095 »

Private companies shouldn't be able to regulate content at their own discretion. That must be protected by free speech. There has to be law, and social consensus about what kind of content is not legal, and bringing down that should be done, not by private entities, nor even by the goverment, but by the judicial power. There's a reason for the separation of powers.

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Post by criddell »

agiroth wrote: post #845
criddell wrote: post #641

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Phone companies also have terms of service. Here’s AT&T’s: > AT&T may immediately terminate all or a portion of your Service or reduce or suspend Service, without notice, for conduct that AT&T believes (a) is illegal, fraudulent, harassing, abusive, or intended to intimidate or threaten; (b) constitutes a violation of any law, regulation, or tariff (including, without applicable policies or guidelines (including the…

And yet somehow have never resorted to saying who can and cannot use their service based on their political beliefs. Keep trying.

Parler wasn’t pulled from Google’s app store for discussion of Conservative policy. It was pull for hate speech, incitement, and for the illegal conspiracies being plotted. Plus Parler isn’t enforcing their own terms of service.

If it was just politics then Google would also pull New Republic magazine.

Apple has said that they need to step up their moderation game and they can get back into the App Store. I’m guessing that would be good enough for Google as well.

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Post by Taurenking »

namesbc wrote: post #536
post_break wrote: post #4

Wow, is this the great purge? I don’t support certain people, but man I don’t think this is going to end well. This censorship just seems crazy to me.

The country went down this path as soon as the Senate refused to convict Trump. We are now at the point where we have to block violent fascists from organizing the overthrow of our democracy, and that requires deplatforming. We had a peaceful resolution to this in February of 2020, but the GOP chose this path instead.

Convict him of what exactly?

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Post by valuearb »

throwaway54095 wrote: post #853
valuearb wrote: post #344

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It’s not censorship, private businesses have the right to decide what they sell in their stores. Parlour can still distribute itself as a web app, no problem.

So then, can a restaurant refuse service, to filter what kind of customers would allow to let in, let's say on criterias like: only men, only white people, everybody but gay people? It's a private business after all. Especially if they are still available to deliver without any filter.

Is this a cannibalistic restaurant? Are they serving customers other customers?

What does discretion in the products a restaurant sells have to do with the customers it sells to?

Whataboutisms galore.

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Post by tick_tock_tick »

bun_at_work wrote: post #489
tick_tock_tick wrote: post #243

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I made this comment in another thread but I think we are few year from it being forced by the Supreme Court as it has ruled very close to this in the past. > ... noting that ownership "does not always mean absolute dominion." The court pointed out that the more an owner opens his property up to the public in general, the more his rights are circumscribed by the statutory and constitutional rights of those who are inv…

This actually isn't the case as long as Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act exists [1]. The section has two parts, the first of which protects the platform (Twitter, Google Play Store, FB, etc) from prosecution for user-generated content on the platform. The second part, more relevant here, ensures the right of the platform to moderate it's users anyway it sees fit. If r/conservative can ban anyone for sayi…

If the Supreme Court chooses to go down the route I have described the content of section 230 has no bearing on the discussion as ruling on this matter as a First Amendment issue would invalidate the needed parts of the Communications Decency Act.

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Post by tonfreed »

pjc50 wrote: post #322
djsumdog wrote: post #132

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The purge has been happening for years. I hate how people on HN is praising this. There are literally few alternatives for the average person apart from Google and eyeProducts. I have a PinePhone, but what percentage of America can truly put in the effort to use one? If you cannot install an run your own software on a device, you do not own the device. You cannot praise the removal of Gab or Parlor now and complain l…

Other way round: anyone on the left is used to unfair treatment. The app reporting drone strike locations was banned years ago. Apple caused tumblr to self-destruct. Just this time the policy is actually in our favor. Unlimited incitement to violence is not sustainable. Banning them for this is the start ; America is going to have a long uncomfortable process of dealing with its media.

Even though I'm on the right, I have noticed anti-war lefties get banned a lot.

Even copblock, something both of the more socially liberal wings of the political spectrum can appreciate, has been banned multiple times.

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Post by tonfreed »

flunhat wrote: post #443
pjc50 wrote: post #322

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Other way round: anyone on the left is used to unfair treatment. The app reporting drone strike locations was banned years ago. Apple caused tumblr to self-destruct. Just this time the policy is actually in our favor. Unlimited incitement to violence is not sustainable. Banning them for this is the start ; America is going to have a long uncomfortable process of dealing with its media.

Exactly -- I love the pearl-clutching tone of these of slippery-slope complaints: "Just you wait, leftists! One day the power of the state shall be visited upon you, and then you'll see! How would you feel if the government censored you, infiltrated your gatherings, and sidelined you from mainstream society? Hmmmmm?"

If it's already happened to you, why are you happy about this?

All this is going to do is create a real market for more decentralisation and censorship resistance, we have a modicum of control now but that's going to evaporate with the next iteration of the web if this trajectory continues

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