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What Silicon Valley gets about engineers that traditional companies do not

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Re: What Silicon Valley gets about engineers that traditional companies do not

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I have worked in this field since 1980. The first time I was given the title "Software Engineer" was at Apple in 2001. Was I really a trained, licensed engineer in the traditional sense? Of course not. But it sure made me feel flattered and empowered. Silicon Valley HR execs use strategies like this to manipulate their employees, particularly the youngest ones.

Re: What Silicon Valley gets about engineers that traditional companies do not

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I have worked in this field since 1980. The first time I was given the title "Software Engineer" was at Apple in 2001. Was I really a trained, licensed engineer in the traditional sense? Of course not. But it sure made me feel flattered and empowered. Silicon Valley HR execs use strategies like this to manipulate their employees, particularly the youngest ones.

C'mon, you're too cool for higher pay and worker's rights. :D

Re: What Silicon Valley gets about engineers that traditional companies do not

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I have worked in this field since 1980. The first time I was given the title "Software Engineer" was at Apple in 2001. Was I really a trained, licensed engineer in the traditional sense? Of course not. But it sure made me feel flattered and empowered. Silicon Valley HR execs use strategies like this to manipulate their employees, particularly the youngest ones.

C'mon, you're too cool for higher pay and worker's rights. :D

Why do people keep pretending like Silicon Valley engineers aren’t one of the single highest paid demographics in the entire country?

Re: What Silicon Valley gets about engineers that traditional companies do not

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I have worked in this field since 1980. The first time I was given the title "Software Engineer" was at Apple in 2001. Was I really a trained, licensed engineer in the traditional sense? Of course not. But it sure made me feel flattered and empowered. Silicon Valley HR execs use strategies like this to manipulate their employees, particularly the youngest ones.

C'mon, you're too cool for higher pay and worker's rights. :D

Software developers enjoy great pay, great perks, and have plenty of job opportunities if anyone abuses them, in North America at least.

Re: What Silicon Valley gets about engineers that traditional companies do not

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

C'mon, you're too cool for higher pay and worker's rights. :D

Why do people keep pretending like Silicon Valley engineers aren’t one of the single highest paid demographics in the entire country?

Initially this was true, certainly SV would use higher salaries to draw developers and engineers to the valley. But cost of living has exploded since then. A modern developer living in SV does not command a higher standard of living as food and housing costs are significantly higher than most of the rest of the country. A similar trend plays out on the east coast so it’s not just SV.

It’s balanced by the CoL adjustment. In short, SV engineers are not better off, and haven’t been for the past decade. This is apparent by the observed exodus in the light of Covid forcing a shift to primarily remote work. Engineers are trying to reclaim their wage advantage by moving to cheaper locations, and companies are fighting back by reducing compensation accordingly.

Re: What Silicon Valley gets about engineers that traditional companies do not

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I think the first two are complicated by the eventual (even if slow) inclusion of layers of process, sign offs, and approvals required for a given piece of functionality to go live.

You start off with engineers having autonomy then something bad happens one day, so you introduce an approval process to make sure that doesn’t happen again. Then one day someone notices visual/UX inconsistencies between products so a process is introduced to ensure consistency. Then someone notices the tone of the copy is not what they think it should be so it is decreed that all copy should go through the writing team. Etc. Eventually shipping becomes as much about fighting through these thickets of bureaucracy as about improving things for users or, you know, writing code.

You end up with a situation where someone who has never heard of you or your stupid project asking you fundamental questions about its existence which have already been answered at the outset of the project... but why should they care? You answer to them. Their job is not to help you make users’ lives better. Their job is to stop peons like you from screwing up.

Re: What Silicon Valley gets about engineers that traditional companies do not

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

C'mon, you're too cool for higher pay and worker's rights. :D

Why do people keep pretending like Silicon Valley engineers aren’t one of the single highest paid demographics in the entire country?

Pay is nowhere remotely close to being proportional to impact on revenue though. Many engineers are much more offended by unmeritocratic pay than by absolute value of pay being low - hence why you can convince amazing engineers to work for peanuts at start-ups.

I want the greatest share of the returns of my own labor I can get. If that results in very high salary, great, it’s earned. If I take a risk at a place where that translates to much lower salary, that’s fine too - as long as it’s very objectively meritocratic.

If I am making $200k per year as a top, top performer, while my employer is paying far more mediocre performers $175k (perhaps based of geolocation), or where both of us are bringing in ~ millions of revenue, that’s super unacceptable.

As time goes on, the surplus of my labor productivity that a big corporate employer can capture beyond my total compensation should be decreasing heavily - and expert software labor is one class that has the negotiation power to actually push that issue.

So I’d flip your question on its head. Why do we pretend that rent-seeking executives deserve the surplus revenue generated by rare talented engineers? Why (with complete sincerity) aren’t many, many, many more software engineers paid on the order of what Hollywood actors are making, while executive salaries simply have to come way, way down in these lines of business?

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