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Common pronunciations of Linux directories, commands, etc. (2017)

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Re: Common pronunciations of Linux directories, commands, etc. (2017)

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I’m 31 years old and have been using Linux most of my life. A few of my friends and people at work do too, but this is the first time I’ve heard /etc pronounced as etsy. It’s always been “etcetera” for me. This led me to look up the history of that directory: “ But people encountered a situation to keep some files which can be a config file or a data file or a socket file or some other files. So they implemented a fo…

I pronounce it "etsy". "et cetera" was never an option for me because I learned that it's short for "editable text configuration". (Also "et cetera" just doesn't make much sense. If anything, /usr is "et cetera".)

"editable text configuration" has to be a backronym, right? Not that it really matters, of course.

"Etsy" has the value of brevity when speaking, but I can't bring myself to feel natural saying it. None of the other options sound great either.

Re: Common pronunciations of Linux directories, commands, etc. (2017)

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> Knowledge of (including pronunciation) jargon is a classic gatekeeper Indeed, the best example I can find is LateX. You can tell who's read the first pages of the docs from that.

TIL: https://tex.stackexchange.com/a/17509 > English words like ‘technology’ stem from a Greek root beginning with the letters τεχ...; and this same Greek word means art as well as technology. Hence the name TeX, which is an uppercase form of τεχ. > Insiders pronounce the χ of TeX as a Greek chi, not as an ‘x’, so that TeX rhymes with the word blecchhh. It’s the ‘ch’ sound in Scottish words like loch or German words…

From your link though, Leslie Lamport disagrees with Knuth (whom I like to pronounce "nuth" but is actually pronounced "ka-nuth").

I'm Greek and I pronounce LaTeX as "LAY-tek". I just tried pronouncing it "LAY-tech" with a Greek "chi" sound ("λέει-τεχ") and I sounded so silly I almost spat my coffee all over my monitor (only "almost" because I wasn't drinking any coffee). Ain't no way I'm calling it that.

And note that, being Greek, I can actually pronounce "χ" correctly. Most Native English-speaking folks I've heard trying to do the same sound like they're in immediate need of someone administering the Heimleich manoeuver to them.

Btw, I pronounce "Heimlich" with a Greek "χ" also. I bet most native English-speaking folks pronounce it elsewise. Perhaps as "Heimlick".

Re: Common pronunciations of Linux directories, commands, etc. (2017)

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post #135

Speaking of silly pronunciations, you silly native English speakers :-p Character/karacter but char/char? What is wrong with your language? :-(

I know people (native English speakers also) who pronounce the data type "char" as "care" for this reason. I still go with "char" as in burning.

It's a rich tapestry of confusion.

Re: Common pronunciations of Linux directories, commands, etc. (2017)

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This is one of those surprisingly useful and obvious things that I'm surprised not to have seen before. Knowledge of (including pronunciation) jargon is a classic gatekeeper In my experience, I'm in the minority in pronouncing sudo as soodoo, the majority seem to say pseudo. OTOH I've never heard anyone say fsck as anything other than f-suck From personal experience at Microsoft the backslash was frequently pronounce…

I was asked the correct pronunciation of /etc in an interview once. Diabolical, if you ask me.

There's historical precedent:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shibboleth

Re: Common pronunciations of Linux directories, commands, etc. (2017)

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post #135

Speaking of silly pronunciations, you silly native English speakers :-p Character/karacter but char/char? What is wrong with your language? :-(

> What is wrong with your language? It's an insane amalgamation of other languages with occasional attempts at consistency that actually make it worse. Imagine a library written in C+asm, then with parts grafted on written in idiomatic Pascal, then the whole mess ported to Java without changing any naming or structure. Every other method has a different namingConvention, if_notHybrid, to say nothing of other style as…

>> It's an insane amalgamation of other languages with occasional attempts at consistency that actually make it worse.

Oh, so it's a bit like R, then?

Re: Common pronunciations of Linux directories, commands, etc. (2017)

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I always say 'bin' as 'bine' in relation to the folder. This is a hill I will die on. It's short for binary. And a 'bin' is where you put your rubbish, not your hard work.

Do you also call /lib 'libe'? Or are you okay with 'lib' as it's not conflicting with other meanings?

I’m the only gray-beard hacker I know that pronounces it ‘libe’. But bin is bin. Not sure why, really.

Re: Common pronunciations of Linux directories, commands, etc. (2017)

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post #77

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What’s better is that “My” has nothing to do with possession, and it’s pronounced “Me”: it’s Widenius’ daughters name[0]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Widenius

And "MariaDB" was named after another of his daughters. If memory serves, he also has a son (whose name I can't remember) after which he named some other piece of software (which I also can't remember). All of this is almost certainly mentioned in that link you shared although, at the moment, I just can't be bothered to click it.

Max: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MaxDB

Re: Common pronunciations of Linux directories, commands, etc. (2017)

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Agree. Most English people at least would be nonplussed if you said "etsy etsy" rather than "etcetra etcetra" to indicate something that goes on and on.

Most UK English speakers would be confused if you used 'nonplussed' to mean confused... Human languages are hugely inefficient!

Do you mean AmE speakers? Because 'confused' is (roughly) what it means to me, a BrE speaker, but your comment made me curious and indeed Wiktionary gives def 2 (proscribed, US, informal) as 'unfazed, unaffected, or unimpressed' instead.

Re: Common pronunciations of Linux directories, commands, etc. (2017)

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MySQL pronunciation can be "My S Q L" or "My Sequel." I think most people in the community probably use the latter, but truthfully most of us don't really care. The "S Q L" vs. "Sequel" split has existed almost as long as SQL itself. The original name for the language was "SEQUEL." [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SQL#History

I once received a document from an offshore DBA who had written 'seagull' for every instance of 'SQL' because that's what he thought was being said on conference calls. Personally I cut it down the middle and go with 'squill' but then I always said 'scizzy' instead of 'scuzzy' for SCSI.

A DBA who didn't pick up that it was 'SQL' being said after the first couple times? :(

Re: Common pronunciations of Linux directories, commands, etc. (2017)

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post #86

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I actually can't believe anyone says "etsy." If they ever do, I'm gonna be confused momentarily. And I'm not gonna follow suit, I'm gonna say E T C. If I ever get a friend. PS I also say "libe." As if shortening the word library.

Honestly, this is about the most consistent of the batch in my experience. Many of them vary, but I've never heard anyone beyond the cd/ls level of tutorial Linux say "e t c".

I'd like to think I'm well above 'cd/ls level of tutorial Linux', but I've never said 'etsy', though I recall having a colleague who did and he did have to explain.

I wouldn't spell it out as 'e t c' though, I pronounce '/etc/' the same as 'etc.'/'&c.' (that is, with a reluctantly soft 'c' in 'cetera', since despite knowing better it's not worth getting into every time you say it!)

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